BaL 26.06.21 - Mozart: Quintet for Piano and Wind Instruments, K452

[Ein Heldenleben]

As he does on the Perahia recording - very honourable I'd say.

(My spellchecker kept trying to type Peruvian. High-altitude, maybe...)

Lovely recording that. Does anyone agree that piano and winds sounds better than piano and strings ?

[jayne lee wilson]

Lovely recording that. Does anyone agree that piano and winds sounds better than piano and strings ?

Well...ye-es for reasons of shared sonority......... but.... as Hans Keller said, Mozart solved the piano/strings balance by - not recognising the problem in the first place.

I would add (pace my much-admired, football-mad Keller), only if you use the right instruments. Same would go for all those marvellous Brahms masterpieces. But great performers may overcome those challenges, whatsoever instrumental vintages they imbibe.......

OK! 2ndhalf now...!

[vinteuil]

Current favourites for this gorgeous, beloved piece......

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01DNQIF4A/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Quintet-Clarinet-Strings-Quartet/dp/B000B8QFBO/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=mozart+kuijken&qid=1623591505&s=music&sr=1-3

Both utterly wonderful, renewed and refreshed....so, stream or choose according to couplings....

... the Kuijken may be gorgeous, beloved, utterly wonderful, renewed and refreshed - but it ain't K452

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[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Don’t forget this BaL.

[Barbirollians]

My favourites are the Gieseking / Brain et al and the Perahia/ Halstead et al

[Dave2002]

Were any HIPP recordings even considered? Did I miss something?

Pity that the recommended version is just a download. Maybe I need to wait for a vinyl reissue ....

[Tony Halstead]

Were any HIPP recordings even considered? Did I miss something?

Pity that the recommended version is just a download. Maybe I need to wait for a vinyl reissue ....

The only HIPP one (of the four listed) that was mentioned and played was 'Die Freitagsakademie' ( I'm not sure their pianist was actually named).
van Immerseel/ Octophorus; Vermeulen/ Il Gardellino; and Levin/ AAM were neither played nor even mentioned.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Missed the last 20 minutes through broadband issues. It was looking like the Perahia version was on course for selection ...which is the one I have along with the Brendel,

[HighlandDougie]

It was the Brendel in the end, with Perahia and Eric Lesage as close contenders. I'm ashamed to say that I don't the work at all so I had no pre-conceptions about versions, ancient, HiPP or modern. I've just bought the Lesage (I have the Brendel in the big Brendel box) as I liked what I heard very much indeed - and it was easily and cheaply found on Amazon France. I always enjoy Iain Burnside's BaLs - he doesn't wear his learning quite as much on his sleeve as DON, for example.

[Ein Heldenleben]

It was the Brendel in the end, with Perahia and Eric Lesage as close contenders. I'm ashamed to say that I don't the work at all so I had no pre-conceptions about versions, ancient, HiPP or modern. I've just bought the Lesage (I have the Brendel in the big Brendel box) as I liked what I heard very much indeed - and it was easily and cheaply found on Amazon France. I always enjoy Iain Burnside's BaLs - he doesn't wear his learning quite as much on his sleeve as DON, for example.

I think I prefer Perahia’s - just (even) more elegance in the playing. I agree about Iain - he was also excellent in the recent Cardiff song prize lunchtime sessions.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

... the Kuijken may be gorgeous, beloved, utterly wonderful, renewed and refreshed - but it ain't K452.

I wondered what you were getting at, at first, but now I see what you mean.



I do have the recommended Brendel version, in the Philips Complete Mozart Edition (on a real CD that should survive a severe solar flare ).

[vinteuil]

The only HIPP one (of the four listed) that was mentioned and played was 'Die Freitagsakademie' ( I'm not sure their pianist was actually named).
van Immerseel/ Octophoros; Vermeulen/ Il Gardellino; and Levin/ AAM were neither played nor even mentioned.

... yes, sad that Iain Burnside didn't consider more HIPP recordings - not these, nor yet the Ensemble Dialoghi, also HIPP -

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07D35BG5D

The pianist on the FreitagsAkademie recording is Edoardo Torbianelli. In their irritating Winter & Winter way, the record producers provide little information on the piano he was playing ("Mirko Weiss 2004, Niederscherli Berne"], while letting us know far more than we need about the recording equipment and thanking the source of the 18th century flower patterns used on the CD cover...

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[gurnemanz]

I have the earlier Brendel with Hungarians. Also good. Two Brendels would probably be excessive.

[jayne lee wilson]

... yes, sad that Iain Burnside didn't consider more HIPP recordings - not these, nor yet the Ensemble Dialoghi, also HIPP -

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07D35BG5D

The pianist on the FreitagsAkademie recording is Edoardo Torbianelli. In their irritating Winter & Winter way, the record producers provide little information on the piano he was playing ("Mirko Weiss 2004, Niederscherli Berne"], while letting us know far more than we need about the recording equipment and thanking the source of the 18th century flower patterns used on the CD cover...

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It must be the 1815 Fritz here....

http://www.mirkoweiss.com/fortepiano.html

Although Torbianelli's own listing has 1810...

All my other Winter & Winter albums featuring fortepiano (with La Gaia Scienza, and Uri Caine) do give the specific model and date.
I only wish they would give us more about the equipment used, and as their artwork is always very distinctive and carefully chosen, I am very glad to see it credited.

[jonfan]

The only HIPP one (of the four listed) that was mentioned and played was 'Die Freitagsakademie' ( I'm not sure their pianist was actually named).
van Immerseel/ Octophorus; Vermeulen/ Il Gardellino; and Levin/ AAM were neither played nor even mentioned.

AAM/Levin sounds terrific Tony and my favourite HIPP.