BaL 19.06.21 - Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde

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  • Barbirollians
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    • Nov 2010
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    #91
    Stephen Johnson's 2009 BAL has reminded me of just how fab Baker was with Kubelik .

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    • gurnemanz
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      • Nov 2010
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      #92
      Originally posted by Darloboy View Post
      If I heard rightly, the reviewer recommended Gerhaher/Vogt/Nagano for a baritone performance (2 stars in The Guardian: "The tenor is Klaus Florian Vogt, whose small-scale performance and bleating tone never come close to fulfilling the demands of Mahler's vocal writing") without mentioning the wonderful King/Fischer-Dieskau/Bernstein recording.
      I acquired the Gerhaher coincidentally as part on his very recommendable 13CD Art of Song Collection. It is the recording of a live concert in Montreal and certainly not a top notch recording as a whole, with Vogt having to be overdubbed later in Munich. Gerhaher is the reason to hear it, as the reviewer said. Surely fair enough for her to include one baritone in her survey.

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      • edashtav
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        • Jul 2012
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        #93
        Originally posted by gradus View Post
        For me it always will be Walter/Ferrier/Patzak but its a piece I rarely choose to listen to at home as I find it almost too intense an emotional experience.
        or “absolutely” to quote Flora Wilson. My first live performance of this piece was almost 50 years ago with the CBSO and I was sat all too close to the mandolin player whose out of synch fumbles remain forever etched on my memory.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
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          #94
          Originally posted by edashtav View Post
          or “absolutely” to quote Flora Wilson. My first live performance of this piece was almost 50 years ago with the CBSO and I was sat all too close to the mandolin player whose out of synch fumbles remain forever etched on my memory.
          Not a mandolin player but isn’t the mandolin part just about the easiest orchestral part in history ? Unlike the Don Giovanni serenade which I wouldn’t fancy at all!

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          • LMcD
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            • Sep 2017
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            #95
            Originally posted by edashtav View Post
            or “absolutely” to quote Flora Wilson. My first live performance of this piece was almost 50 years ago with the CBSO and I was sat all too close to the mandolin player whose out of synch fumbles remain forever etched on my memory.
            He/she wasn't strumming, was he/she?

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            • Cockney Sparrow
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              • Jan 2014
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              #96
              Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
              .......Having been to hundreds of operas over the years I tend to just take slightly dodgy tenors in my stride and this is one of the most difficult roles in the rep..........
              . I can't claim hundreds, but know exactly how you feel......

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              • Bryn
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                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #97
                Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                She’s ruled out a lot of the recordings on account of the tenor. Having been to hundreds of operas over the years I tend to just take slightly dodgy tenors in my stride and this is one of the most difficult roles in the rep.
                I have very fond memories (and a CD recording) of the Proms performance under Boulez's hands of Mahler's 8th. Alberto Remedios was suffering from a heavy cold but stalwart he was, he went ahead. The performance was special enough to easily forgive and accept his occasional voice cracks.

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                • Cockney Sparrow
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                  • Jan 2014
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  I have very fond memories (and a CD recording) of the Proms performance under Boulez's hands of Mahler's 8th. Alberto Remedios was suffering from a heavy cold but stalwart he was, he went ahead. The performance was special enough to easily forgive and accept his occasional voice cracks.
                  Yes, another memorable eighth. Not a Prom, but the only traumatic Albert Hall eighth I experienced was Maazel's - pulled it about terribly.

                  And yes, the Horenstein is on a BBC Legends, but it can be heard on Y Tube. (If it's nla, why did the reviewer refer to it, I wonder?). Glad I've got it, but as this thread proves, there are many worthwhile recordings - I've added several to my list to explore......
                  Last edited by Cockney Sparrow; 19-06-21, 17:11.

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20592

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                    I see that Flora Willson did the dire Magic Flute BAL perhaps I just need to avoid her BALs in future . This was really poor.
                    Oh dear, yes. I remember how she ended up with two winning versions, and then eliminated one for the most trivial of reasons - so much so that in my highlighting of the winners in the opening posts, I rebelled for the one and only time, overriding FW by giving both equal status.

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                    • visualnickmos
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      Didn't find the 'winner' particularly exciting. It was OK, but that's all - in fact dare I say - a bit dull. However, I was very favourably taken with chamber version arrangement by Schoenberg. The 'lighter' approach really suited the piece, and the singers sounded fresh and lively.

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                      • Bryn
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                        • Mar 2007
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                        Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                        Didn't find the 'winner' particularly exciting. It was OK, but that's all - in fact dare I say - a bit dull. However, I was very favourably taken with chamber version arrangement by Schoenberg. The 'lighter' approach really suited the piece, and the singers sounded fresh and lively.
                        Yes, though I already have alternative recordings, I am very tempted by the Vanska.

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                        • Nimrod
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                          • Mar 2012
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                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          Or the live Krips - Wunderlich/DFD or the Kletzki .

                          Just listening to the 2009 Stephen Johnson BAL on You Tube- recorded off a hissy FM radio - but a completely different league of analysis ( we get all of Janet Baker's versions discussed for a start ). The winner there the live Hodgson/Mitchinson/Horenstein which for all the qualities of the Gibson that was mentioned in passing - is in a different league to it . I assume it must a nla BBC Legends recording ?
                          As far as I'm aware, there are few, if any, Legends discs available other than s/h. A great pity as there are some wonderful live recordings to be heard from this source.

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                          • Bert
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                            • Apr 2020
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                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            I am very tempted by the Vanska.
                            Give in

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                            • Cockney Sparrow
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                              • Jan 2014
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                              Originally posted by Nimrod View Post
                              As far as I'm aware, there are few, if any, Legends discs available other than s/h. A great pity as there are some wonderful live recordings to be RSNO. from this source.
                              I've listened to the BAL again. My mistake, she referred to a recording Hodgson made with Gibson and the RSNO (my post #98).

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                              • visualnickmos
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                Originally posted by Bert View Post
                                Give in
                                So did I !

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