BaL 15.05.21 - C.P.E. Bach: Cello Concerto no. 3 in A

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

9.30am
Building a Library

Hannah French has been listening to recordings of the delightful, elegant A major Cello Concerto by CPE Bach and, in discussion with Andrew, comes up with the must-have recommendation to buy, download or stream.

Available recordings:-

Nicolas Altstaedt, Arcangelo, Jonathan Cohen
Anner Bylsma, Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment, Gustav Leonhardt
Christophe Coin, Orquesta barroca de Sevilla (CD/DVD)
Marc Coppey, Zagreb Soloists
Roel Dieltiens, Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century
Guy Fishman, Aisslinn Nosky , Maureen Murchie, Max Mandel, Sarah Freiberg, Robert Nairn, Ian Watson *
Ophélie Gaillard, Pulcinella Orchestra *
Matt Haimovitz, English Chamber Orchestra, Sir Andrew Davis
Lynn Harrell, Angeli Ensemble *
Lynn Harrell, Concertgebouw Chamber Orchestra
Tim Hugh, Bournemouth Sinfonietta, Richard Studt
Stephen Isserlis, Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen
Elemer Lavotha, Kalmar Lans Chamber Orchestra, Jan-Olav Wedin
William Lithgow, Cologne New Philharmonic Orchestra, Volker Hartung *
Alison McGillivray , English Concert, Andrew Manze *
Balazs Mate, Concerto Armonico Budapest *
Konstantin Manaev, Berliner Camerata *
Antonio Meneses, Munchener Kammerorchester
Truls Mork, Les Violons du Roy, Bernard Labadie
Andre Navarra, Orchestre de Chambre Tibor Varga
Csaba Onczay, Franz Liszt Chamber Orchestra, Janos Rolla *
Jean-Guihen Queyras, Ensemble Resonanz, Riccardo Minasi
Alexander Rudin, Musica Viva Chamber Orchestra
Atsushi Sakaï, Les Talens Lyriques, Christophe Rousset *
Daniel Müller-Schott, L’arte del mondo, Werner Ehrhardt
Petr Skalka, Cafe Zimmermann
Janos Starker, Santa Fe Festival Orchestra
Julian Steckel, Stuttgarter Kammerorchester, Susanne von Gutzeit
Hidemi Suzuki, Bach Collegium Japan
Paul Tortelier (DVD)
Jan Vogler, Munich Chamber Orchestra, Reinhard Goebel
Raphael Wallfisch, Scottish Ensemble, Jonathan Morton
Pieter Wispelwey, Musikkollegium Winterthur, Jonathan Morton

* = download only

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Pardon me for nit-picking, but don't you buy downloads?

[Goon525]

To be equally pedantic, my Qobuz subscription allows me to download recordings for offline listening. There’s no marginal cost involved in this, and I haven’t bought them.

[Pulcinella]

A work that will be new to me.
My dhm/Sony CPE Bach Edition proudly proclaims a cello concerto on CD8, admittedly giving it the WQ171 qualification. Now, I find out that there is more than one (WQ171 being number 2, in B flat!).
Number 3 has the most incarnations according to the Presto site: is it deservedly the most popular?

[Bryn]

To be equally pedantic, my Qobuz subscription allows me to download recordings for offline listening. There’s no marginal cost involved in this, and I haven’t bought them.

That's not pedantry, it's a misnomer. What a QOBUZ subscription permits is to import to a protected location on your computer from which you may access but not copy it. In the case of today's HIPP recommendation, it does not even let you do that for the first movement of the "Oxford".

[richardfinegold]

One of my very first lps was on the RCA budget label,, Victrola, and it was C.P.E.Bach Concertos. One side was an Oboe Concerto, the other was a highly dramatic, strum und drang like Cello Concerto. The conductor was Leonhardt, Orchestra Collegium Aureum. Checking on eBay I found what appears to be the Concerto (the soloist last name is May) although it is paired with a Concerto for Two Harpsichords. The Concerto is not identified with any other designation. From the description of the BAL work as "elegant" I gather it isn't the same.

[Goon525]

That's not pedantry, it's a misnomer. What a QOBUZ subscription permits is to import to a protected location on your computer from which you may access but not copy it. In the case of today's HIPP recommendation, it does not even let you do that for the first movement of the "Oxford".

Yes it does - see my contribution to the relevant thread. You’ve picked up the wrong issue.

[Pulcinella]

One of my very first lps was on the RCA budget label,, Victrola, and it was C.P.E.Bach Concertos. One side was an Oboe Concerto, the other was a highly dramatic, strum und drang like Cello Concerto. The conductor was Leonhardt, Orchestra Collegium Aureum. Checking on eBay I found what appears to be the Concerto (the soloist last name is May) although it is paired with a Concerto for Two Harpsichords. The Concerto is not identified with any other designation. From the description of the BAL work as "elegant" I gather it isn't the same.

Looks like it will be number 2, in B flat.
Here's the coupling you seem to have found on ebay.

https://www.discogs.com/Collegium-Aureum-Gustav-Leonhardt-Alan-Curtis-2-Angelica-May-CPE-Bach-Concerto-In-F-For-Two-Harpsich/release/7411616

The oboe concerto is coupled with a (single) harpsichord concerto on this release.

https://www.discogs.com/Carl-Philipp-Emanuel-Bach-Gustav-Leonhardt-Helmut-Hucke-Collegium-Aureum-Concerto-D-moll-Für-Cembal/master/994893

Both appeared on RCA Victrola, but there doesn't seem to be a version listed of the coupling you recall.

[Darloboy]

Not a work that's been specifically covered in BaL before as far as I'm aware. However, there were CPE Bach surveys by Richard Wigmore in October 96 and by Simon Heighes in September 05, both of which covered the 3 cello concertos. Both recommended Byslma with the OAE/Leonhardt. Richard Wigmore gave his CPE Bach recommendations 1 to 3 stars; and he awarded 2 stars ('highly recommended') to the Bylsma. He also gave 1 star (recommended) to Miklós Perényi with the Franz Liszt CO conducted by János Rolla, which seems to be nla.

[Bryn]

Thanks. With the search criteria I used, only the re-issue was offered. Reducing the criteria to "Haydn Jacobs" did the trick. However, that does not deal with their false claim to unlimited downloads re the re-issue's listing.

[MickyD]

Not a work that's been specifically covered in BaL before as far as I'm aware. However, there were CPE Bach surveys by Richard Wigmore in October 96 and by Simon Heighes in September 05, both of which covered the 3 cello concertos. Both recommended Byslma with the OAE/Leonhardt. Richard Wigmore gave his CPE Bach recommendations 1 to 3 stars; and he awarded 2 stars ('highly recommended') to the Bylsma. He also gave 1 star (recommended) to Miklós Perényi with the Franz Liszt CO conducted by János Rolla, which seems to be nla.

I recall seeing Biljsma and the OAE doing this in the splendid setting of the Banqueting House in Whitehall...presumably at the same time of the Virgin Veritas recording.

[richardfinegold]

Looks like it will be number 2, in B flat.
Here's the coupling you seem to have found on ebay.

https://www.discogs.com/Collegium-Aureum-Gustav-Leonhardt-Alan-Curtis-2-Angelica-May-CPE-Bach-Concerto-In-F-For-Two-Harpsich/release/7411616

The oboe concerto is coupled with a (single) harpsichord concerto on this release.

https://www.discogs.com/Carl-Philipp-Emanuel-Bach-Gustav-Leonhardt-Helmut-Hucke-Collegium-Aureum-Concerto-D-moll-Für-Cembal/master/994893

Both appeared on RCA Victrola, but there doesn't seem to be a version listed of the coupling you recall.

That is correct. These works were probably reissued at different times with different couplings.
So I have large C.P.E. Bach box from Brilliant Classics, and I blew the dust off it and there is 1 disc devoted to Cello Concertos. Raphael Wallfisch is the soloist, the Orchestra listed as the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. The first Concerto on the disc is the one in the title of this thread, and the first two movements are the work that I remember, but III is distinctly not as I recall it. I didn’t have time to listen to the other two works, but I am wondering if in that earlier recording someone pulled the same trick as with Boccherini and substituted a movement from a different work

[pastoralguy]

Bump!

[Barbirollians]

Bump!

Good to see you back - PG - not really persuaded so far that I need to supplement the Bylsma.

[cloughie]

Bump!

Welcome back PG - hope things are well with you!