BaL 24.04.21 - Stravinsky: Violin concerto in D

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  • kuligin
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 231

    Very good programme. First an explanation was given why some recordings were excluded. Secondly recordings were not chosen which were bound to be excluded. Many reviewers would have given us Stern/ Stravinsky and then excluded it. There is no time to waste on non runners. Thirdly the examples were enlightening as to why a recording was worth including, the Hahn slow movements nearly persuaded me to forgettable excessive first movement.

    Andrew did seem to say less but I still struggle to see why he is needed when the reviewer does not need nudging to move on.

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    • Bert
      Banned
      • Apr 2020
      • 327

      Originally posted by kuligin View Post
      Very good programme. First an explanation was given why some recordings were excluded.
      Yes, clearly feedback has been listened to! Although I always kinda took it for granted that the reasons for exclusion (in a time of implausible numbers of recordings) would not be laziness or frivolous.

      Secondly recordings were not chosen which were bound to be excluded. Many reviewers would have given us Stern/ Stravinsky and then excluded it. There is no time to waste on non runners. Thirdly the examples were enlightening as to why a recording was worth including, the Hahn slow movements nearly persuaded me to forgettable excessive first movement.
      The Hahn blew me away! She is also incredible in the Schoenberg vc - even better than Faust, in my opinion.

      Andrew did seem to say less but I still struggle to see why he is needed when the reviewer does not need nudging to move on.
      I quite like the conversational presentation, and it is more in keeping with the present less didactic culture that we live in. We can count our blessings that we are not being invited to tweet and post our Facebook views in order to have them read out!

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      • Bert
        Banned
        • Apr 2020
        • 327

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        Many thanks for all your insights, Nigel, in the fascinating BaL you've just given us.
        I wasn't sure that I could enjoy the piece even more than I already did, but now I do!
        Well said, and seconded.

        'Winner' added to my queue for listening to later.
        Same here, but the Hahn is still resonating in my head!

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        • makropulos
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1677

          Many thanks for the very kind comments –I'm glad it came over okay. Really, with a piece like that it would (I hope) be hard to mess it up. As for the 'conversation' format, I know it divides opinion sharply but I think it can work well –from my experience, Andrew is a good person to chat with.

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          • Bert
            Banned
            • Apr 2020
            • 327

            Originally posted by makropulos View Post
            Many thanks for the very kind comments –I'm glad it came over okay. Really, with a piece like that it would (I hope) be hard to mess it up.
            From where I sat, it was a bench-mark broadcast - thank you!



            As for the 'conversation' format, I know it divides opinion sharply but I think it can work well –from my experience, Andrew is a good person to chat with.
            Indeed, it came across like that. Perhaps we should just cease commenting, either way, on the format and spend the time talking about the music.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6994

              Originally posted by Bert View Post
              From where I sat, it was a bench-mark broadcast - thank you!





              Indeed, it came across like that. Perhaps we should just cease commenting, either way, on the format and spend the time talking about the music.
              Good idea - otherwise we’ll have to set up a I’m Glad BAL Is The Way It Is thread..

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              • Bert
                Banned
                • Apr 2020
                • 327

                Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                Good idea - otherwise we’ll have to set up a I’m Glad BAL Is The Way It Is thread..

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                • visualnickmos
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3615

                  Originally posted by Bert View Post
                  The Hahn blew me away! She is also incredible in the Schoenberg vc - even better than Faust, in my opinion.
                  Indeed; the extracts of Hahn were to my ears at least, superb - I really did love the contrast of the more 'manic' bits with the more mellowed parts.....
                  Please forgive my non-knowledge of correct musical terminologies!

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                  • visualnickmos
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3615

                    Originally posted by Bert View Post
                    From where I sat, it was a bench-mark broadcast - thank you!
                    It was; many thanks to an expert reviewer, volumes of information, and presented with a completely engaging style. When a BaL leaves me enthused to find out even more about a piece, and sample more recordings... well - what more could one ask?

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                    • mikealdren
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1208

                      Hilary Hahn's first movement may be quick but, to me, it doesn't sound rushed. In fact it only really sounds fast if you play it after a slower performance. I like it as much as Mullova and Kopatchinskaja and I would find it hard to choose between them.

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                      • richardfinegold
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 7764

                        Who “won”? I thought the winner was supposed to be highlighted in black on the original list after the broadcast but my iPad shows 3 different highlighted versions, none in black. And why do Forumites routinely refer to the victor as “the winner” and not mention the names of the Musicians? It is as if having won the palm, the recording acquired a status of divinity that precludes the mention of the name

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          Originally posted by mikealdren View Post
                          Hilary Hahn's first movement may be quick but, to me, it doesn't sound rushed. In fact it only really sounds fast if you play it after a slower performance.
                          Exactly the same thought occurred to me.

                          The Hahn blew me away!
                          Me too. I mentioned her performance way upthread, and have no urge to buy another CD. As the review suggested Anne Sophie Mutter's performance is pretty flawless, but just a bit too 'polished' or 'polite' for this piece.

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12982

                            Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                            Who “won”? I thought the winner was supposed to be highlighted in black on the original list after the broadcast but my iPad shows 3 different highlighted versions, none in black. And why do Forumites routinely refer to the victor as “the winner” and not mention the names of the Musicians? It is as if having won the palm, the recording acquired a status of divinity that precludes the mention of the name
                            ... I suppose it depends on which machine you're reading this from - on my chromebook the 'winner' [Mullova] is now printed in red and the 'also recommended' [Mutter, Schneiderhan] in orange

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                            • Pulcinella
                              Host
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 11136

                              Originally posted by mikealdren View Post
                              Hilary Hahn's first movement may be quick but, to me, it doesn't sound rushed. In fact it only really sounds fast if you play it after a slower performance. I like it as much as Mullova and Kopatchinskaja and I would find it hard to choose between them.
                              I just think that so much of the exquisite detail in the accompaniment (if not in the solo part itself) gets lost at that speed: I feel the same about some other music (for example the Brandenburg concertos) taken at a similar breakneck pace.

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                              • HighlandDougie
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3108

                                I'm glad that my (re)discovery of - and enthusiasm for - the Schneiderhan was not misplaced. Anyway, a BaL as good as they get (which says a lot these days): articulate, cogent, knowledgeable, enthusiastic ... in short, a really enjoyable listen. Thanks, Nigel (and, in fairness, due also to A McG).

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