BaL 24.04.21 - Stravinsky: Violin concerto in D

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  • Pulcinella
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    • Feb 2014
    • 11096

    #61
    It's a shame (for me, anyway) that Nebel seems not to obey the pochissimo in the direction pochissimo meno in the bar before Figure 11 (and equivalently when repeated, in the bar before Figure 46) in the first movement, which nearly grinds to a halt at those points. Actually, the poco rit in the bar before Figure 27 isn't that poco either.
    Too bad, as the recording scores at the other points in that movement that I care about (see the What Classical...... thread).

    Skride's performance doesn't dance enough (again, for me) in that first movement; it all sounds that little bit too deliberate.

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    • HighlandDougie
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      • Nov 2010
      • 3108

      #62
      Although I have heard the work reasonably often in concert (most memorably played by Leonidas Kavakos), I lack a recording newer than Chung so will be listening with interest. I have just discovered the Schneiderhan/Ancerl version lurking on the shelves which I've just listened to with much enjoyment, not least for the quality of the BPO's accompaniment - and a lovely Jesus-Christus Kirche early 1960s DGG recording. Shockingly, I don't think that I've ever heard it before having ignorantly assumed that a violinist whom I associate with Beethoven wouldn't be much cop in Stravinsky. I must have forgotten about Arthur Grumiaux ...

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #63
        Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
        Although I have heard the work reasonably often in concert (most memorably played by Leonidas Kavakos), I lack a recording newer than Chung so will be listening with interest. I have just discovered the Schneiderhan/Ancerl version lurking on the shelves which I've just listened to with much enjoyment, not least for the quality of the BPO's accompaniment - and a lovely Jesus-Christus Kirche early 1960s DGG recording. Shockingly, I don't think that I've ever heard it before having ignorantly assumed that a violinist whom I associate with Beethoven wouldn't be much cop in Stravinsky. I must have forgotten about Arthur Grumiaux ...
        How embarasing! I quite forgot about the Schneiderhan/Ancerl, which I have on CD. It was filed under Shostakovich but that's no exciuse.

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        • Petrushka
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          • Nov 2010
          • 12323

          #64
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          How embarasing! I quite forgot about the Schneiderhan/Ancerl, which I have on CD. It was filed under Shostakovich but that's no exciuse.
          I also have that disc and likewise have it filed under its coupling of Shostakovich 10. I've not listened to it for a very long time but will remedy that before before the BaL.
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #65
            Whenever I tried to engage with earlier recordings, more and less famous, I kept running into my familiarity problem; I really did listen to it terribly often back in the day (usually Stern/Stravinsky, many Radio 3 concerts too).
            But each time I returned to Nebel and Kristjan Järvi, the piece came alive again. Theirs is so vividly characterised, so fresh and individual, it gives me more of what I want from the work than most others I've heard, or tried, and I think it is wonderfully true to its spirit - the jack-in-the-box playfulness, the fleeting moods, the flickering or briefly lingering extremes. Even those slight reservations about Aria II soon fell away.

            Certainly a very distinctive account, in sound and vision; one I've fallen in love with; I hope it does well today!
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 03-04-21, 03:01.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #66
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              Whenever I tried to engage with earlier recordings, more and less famous, I kept running into my familiarity problem; I really did listen to it terribly often back in the day (usually Stern/Stravinsky, many Radio 3 concerts too).
              But each time I returned to Nebel and Kristjan Järvi, the piece came alive again. Theirs is so vividly characterised, so fresh and individual, it gives me more of what I want from the work than most others I've heard, or tried, and I think it is wonderfully true to its spirit - the jack-in-the-box playfulness, the fleeting moods, the flickering or briefly lingering extremes. Even those slight reservations about Aria II soon fell away.

              Certainly a very distinctive account, in sound and vision; one I've fallen in love with; I hope it does well today!
              Why today? The BaL is not until next week.

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              • jayne lee wilson
                Banned
                • Jul 2011
                • 10711

                #67
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Why today? The BaL is not until next week.
                When everyone piles in to listen, spurred on by my enthusiasm! Utterly deliberate, of course it was

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  #68
                  Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                  When everyone piles in to listen, spurred on by my enthusiasm! Utterly deliberate, of course it was
                  How appropriate that the Stravinsky should follow a week after his musical hero, Tchaikovsky's 5th Symphony.

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11754

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    How appropriate that the Stravinsky should follow a week after his musical hero, Tchaikovsky's 5th Symphony.
                    Bought a cheap second hand copy of the Mutter/Sacher recording. It is outstanding and ought to be a strong contender. Wish I had bought the original with the Lutoslawski couplings - the Bartok 2 with Ozawa sounds like it has been rewritten by Rachmaninov- very odd indeed.

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                    • PHS
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                      • Feb 2021
                      • 31

                      #70
                      Tomorrow's Record Review is now scheduled as 'A sequence of music with Andrew Macgregor'...

                      Stravinsky' Violin Concerto will have to wait...

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                      • LMcD
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                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8675

                        #71
                        Originally posted by PHS View Post
                        Tomorrow's Record Review is now scheduled as 'A sequence of music with Andrew Macgregor'...

                        Stravinsky' Violin Concerto will have to wait...
                        Apart from Choral Evensong, it's sequences all the way tomorrow, including a repeat of the tribute hosted by Petroc Trelawney earlier this evening.

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22202

                          #72
                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          Apart from Choral Evensong, it's sequences all the way tomorrow, including a repeat of the tribute hosted by Petroc Trelawney earlier this evening.
                          More a continuation until 1am! Currently listening on my ‘Mozart’ speaker.

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                          • mikealdren
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1205

                            #73
                            Originally posted by PHS View Post
                            Tomorrow's Record Review is now scheduled as 'A sequence of music with Andrew Macgregor'...

                            Stravinsky' Violin Concerto will have to wait...
                            Why, oh why, when today's Radio 4 schedule is unchanged?

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                            • Cockney Sparrow
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                              • Jan 2014
                              • 2292

                              #74
                              This is obviously a well-honed plan and again, on the "any stick they can find to beat the BBC and break it up" principle it occurred to me that it would be impossible to be sure that something in the day's schedule on radio would not cause offence. And even that a chirpy Andrew McGregor at 9am on Saturday would be open to criticism. But yes, if Radio 4's programmes can go ahead, why not R3? (I presume recorded programs for the next day are checked over and replaced if they could possibly cause offence.......).

                              But meanwhile, we could enjoy Radio Three as we remember it - music, not too much chat. Could it be adopted as a future model - research might show a lot of interest in 18 to 35 year olds? If so, we could suggest to the controller a Saturday morning element where a knowledgeable and authoritative presenter considered the merits and aspects of different recorded versions of a work and perhaps work their way to some sort of shortlist of the most worthy - given the plethora of performances available these days - under various headings. Need not be too much more expensive to broadcast - still only the one presenter needed.

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22202

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                                This is obviously a well-honed plan and again, on the "any stick they can find to beat the BBC and break it up" principle it occurred to me that it would be impossible to be sure that something in the day's schedule on radio would not cause offence. And even that a chirpy Andrew McGregor at 9am on Saturday would be open to criticism. But yes, if Radio 4's programmes can go ahead, why not R3? (I presume recorded programs for the next day are checked over and replaced if they could possibly cause offence.......).

                                But meanwhile, we could enjoy Radio Three as we remember it - music, not too much chat. Could it be adopted as a future model - research might show a lot of interest in 18 to 35 year olds? If so, we could suggest to the controller a Saturday morning element where a knowledgeable and authoritative presenter considered the merits and aspects of different recorded versions of a work and perhaps work their way to some sort of shortlist of the most worthy - given the plethora of performances available these days - under various headings. Need not be too much more expensive to broadcast - still only the one presenter needed.
                                It’s not R3 as it used to be - too many ‘bleeding chunks’ rather than the full works. It’s more like CFM without the ads!

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