BaL 27.03.21 - Mozart: Piano Concerto no. 24 in C minor K.491

[Bryn]

I got rather distracted during this BaL and missed much of it. Which other 'HIPP' versions were discussed, apart from the Bilson/JEG?

[vinteuil]

I got rather distracted during this BaL and missed much of it. Which other 'HIPP' versions were discussed, apart from the Bilson/JEG?

None.

Which was unimpressive.

I now remember that I don't share Lucy Parham's taste in quite a lot of things.
I found the Alicia de Larrocha / Solti awfully sluggish.

[Ein Heldenleben]

I got rather distracted during this BaL and missed much of it. Which other 'HIPP' versions were discussed, apart from the Bilson/JEG?

As far as I can remember it was the only one - I got a bit distracted for 10 mins . Lucy Parham in her otherwise excellent summary used the word “authentic” in relation to JEG / Bilson - a word I thought was now eschewed....

[Dave2002]

I got rather distracted during this BaL and missed much of it. Which other 'HIPP' versions were discussed, apart from the Bilson/JEG?

Hardly any - IIRC.

I like Lucy P, but she's not a specialist in HIPP versions - though I think she has a lot of insights. Or alternatively, perhaps she just didn't want to (or was told not to) take up all the time comparing some of the other period style versions. Maybe her brief was "just put in one of the HIPP versions - keep the awkward brigade happy!".

I followed her observation about notes not sustaining on fortepianos, which might cause players to have to think about what to do in some passages.

[vinteuil]

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... she only considered eight recordings :

Bilson / John Eliot Gardiner
Larrocha / Solti
Uchida / Tate
Haskill / Desarzens
Gould / Jochum
Goode
Zacharias with the Lausanne (I prefer the earlier Zacharias with the Hamburg / Wand)
Perahia

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[Ein Heldenleben]

Hardly any - IIRC.

I like Lucy P, but she's not a specialist in HIPP versions - though I think she has a lot of insights. Or alternatively, perhaps she just didn't want to (or was told not to) take up all the time comparing some of the other period style versions. Maybe her brief was "just put in one of the HIPP versions - keep the awkward brigade happy!".

I followed her observation about notes not sustaining on fortepianos, which might cause players to have to think about what to do in some passages.

HC Robbins Landon makes the point that with the fortepiano Mozart would have accompanied the orchestra during the Tuttis . He thought modern Steinways wholly unsuitable for that. By No 24 had this practice died out? If not do any of the HIPP recordings attempt it?

[Bryn]

. . . I followed her observation about notes not sustaining on fortepianos, which might cause players to have to think about what to do in some passages.

Or to wonder whether Mozart wanted or expected those notes to sustain any more than they did on the instruments he was familiar with. To restrict the 'HIPP' recordings to an admittedly very fine performance dating from the fairly early days of digital recording techniques (possibly only 16-bit quantization used for the masters) does seem a bit dismissive of more recent offerings using further developed digital recording techniques. A case, perhaps, of "if you really must have a recording of historical instruments and practice, this one will do".

[Barbirollians]

I like the winner like all of Goode’s Mozart concerto recordings on Nonesuch but some of the comparisons to choose were bizarre - especially the Larrocha and Gould.

[rauschwerk]

HC Robbins Landon makes the point that with the fortepiano Mozart would have accompanied the orchestra during the Tuttis .

And Charles Rosen gives a well reasoned disagreement. I do like what Brautigam does in other recordings of Mozart.

[cloughie]

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... she only considered eight recordings :

Bilson / John Eliot Gardiner
Larrocha / Solti
Uchida / Tate
Haskill / Desarzens
Gould / Jochum
Goode
Zacharias with the Lausanne (I prefer the earlier Zacharias with the Hamburg / Wand)
Perahia

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A strange shortlist and whilst I’m not the forum’s foremost fortepiano fan I can’t think she dug very deeply. My dislike of fp is confirmed in slow movts where absence of sustaining encourages excessive decoration.
The upshot is that I shall not be purchasing any additions to the shelves.

[visualnickmos]

I rather liked de Larrocha / Solti, but alas, I can't find it, or indeed any reference to it, as a "purchasable" entity!
Any help humbly and appreciatively accepted.... Thank you.

[Ein Heldenleben]

And Charles Rosen gives a well reasoned disagreement. I do like what Brautigam does in other recordings of Mozart.

I can see continuo working in the earlier concerti - not so sure about a more texturally complex work like this ...

[Pulcinella]

I rather liked de Larrocha / Solti, but alas, I can't find it, or indeed any reference to it, as a "purchasable" entity!
Any help humbly and appreciatively accepted.... Thank you.

Listed here (but you might not consider downloads purchasable?):

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7987375--mozart-piano-concertos-nos-24-27

[richardfinegold]

Overall first choice is Richard Goode, with Malcolm Bilson if you prefer a 'period' instrument.

I’ve got that disc, but haven’t played it in years. I have a friend who is in the Orpheus CO and went out to dinner with him and his colleagues after hearing them and Goode perform it in Concert. A great Concert and evening, except that it was a Sunday night performance and then I had to work a long Monday hung over with about 2 hours sleep. Anyway I usually go for Casadesus/Szell when I want to hear it

[visualnickmos]

Listed here (but you might not consider downloads purchasable?):

https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...rtos-nos-24-27

Many thanks. I have purchased a very few DLs, and so will think about this one. Seems a bit pricey for something I like, but do not crave!