Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie
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Yes but I found Hannah and Kirsten’s interaction not just acceptable but dare I say it good! -
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... the version she played of Lamento della Ninfa with saxophone, with Cavina and la Venexiana, is not the one you get in the Venexiana complete madrigals - I think it comes from a different disc -
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Yep that’s it Delitiae Musicae - surprisingly difficult to catch when spoken . At £40 for 14 discs looks an amazing bargain...Originally posted by vinteuil View PostComment
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Even better when on offer here for a little over £37 including postage: https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classic..._Madrigals.htm. It's 15 discs, compared with La Venexiana's complete set on 11 discs, but it looks like the Naxos includes some extra music.Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
I was in and out during the programme (must catch up with it properly), but I enjoyed most of the excerpts I heard and it seemed to be a reasonably thorough and well presented survey. I have the L'Arts Florissant set she recommended and it is indeed beautifully sung, though perhaps missing some of the vocal colour of the Italian groups. I also have a few Concerto Italiano discs (though not the one she recommended at the end) and find myself listening to those more often. The Naxos complete set is certainly tempting though....Comment
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Yes. It does however show how the 'pre-planned question' plus 'answer-in-agreement' format wastes a lot of time. Some of the musical extracts were incredibly short! I wasn't quite as enchanted with this BAL as others (above) were. It didn't seem pitched at either those who knew nothing about Monteverdi's books of madrigals or those who knew a fair bit and wanted some choices of recording.at least we now know that twoferism isn't just AMcG wanting to dominate proceedings. It's clearly a management policy
I think the progression from multi-part song to reduced-voices-plus-continuo could have been highlighted by more examples. As a callow youth, I and a fellow student performed Il combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda ...probably very badly and with little knowledge (apart from the trillo) of ornamentation. It was a sort of reverse learning curve, discovering subsequently the treasures of the earlier books. So I feel that this BAL, as so often, fell between two stools. I wish the powers-that-be would realsise that the two-hander gives less than half the information and less than half the music that would otherwise be possible....even more necessary when there is a big field to be covered. How often was the expression 'bell-like' used to describe vocal tone. And what does it mean???Last edited by ardcarp; 20-03-21, 12:33.Comment
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<< I wasn't quite as enchanted with this BAL as others (above) were. It didn't seem pitched at either those who knew nothing about Monteverdi's books of madrigals or those who knew a fair bit and wanted some choices of recording.>>
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<< I wish the powers-that-be would realsise that the two-hander gives less than half the information and less than half the music that would otherwise be possible....even more necessary when there is a big field to be covered. How often was the expression 'bell-like' used to describe vocal tone. And what does it mean >>
As so often - smack on the money.
Plus, for me, Hannah French's awful mic technique i.e. varying the pitch of her voice / dropping it at critival moments as she announces last details - usually of performres etc - before a clip truly got in the way. Thank goodness her oppo in the twofer had a fine accent that immediately communicated.Comment
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Indeed, and having now finished listening to the selections on the programme, I must say I really liked the sound of this set. In addition, it is beautifully packaged with full texts - very unusual for a budget label.Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostComment
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Collected a lot of DM discs as they came out - excellent group. Some great Palestrina Mass recordings tooOriginally posted by Heldenleben View Post"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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I found this BaL very useful. I already have two complete sets from La Venexiana and Rooley and have yet to do full justice to them, so I hardly need a third. I did not know it Delitiae Musicae and am grateful to be steered towards them. I listened to a good selection on Spotify this afternoon and they came across beautifully in vivid sound.Originally posted by MickyD View PostComment
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I’ve just remembered that the reason I discovered them is that a friend sang alto with them for a while. I’d probably have missed them otherwise.Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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I've been listening to a few pieces I know well from the Delitiae Musicae set, and I don't think I feel like going any further. I'm not keen on the voices, I find the instrumental playing heavy-handed and the recorded sound seems unnatural (close-miked in a reverberant space). After listening to "Tempro la cetra" from the Seventh Book I went immediately to the same piece in La Venexiana's version, the vocal soloist has a much lighter and more agile sound, the instrumental ensemble plays so much more subtly (and no bloody tambourine!) and the whole is placed in a space so well that one can almost see the performers in the kind of room one could imagine the music being performed in at the time when it was written. I guess I could go off and listen to the programme (to break the habit of a lifetime, since I don't think I've ever knowingly listened to BaL!), but I wonder what the reviewers thought was so good about Deliciae Musicae. They didn't float my boat at all.Comment
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I read this before listening to BaL this evening, and I think it’s unfair. I didn’t hear much wrong with her mic technique, and had no difficulty following her, even at the end of sentences.Originally posted by DracoM View PostComment
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Interesting, thank you for that Richard. I still haven't made up my mind about which complete set to go for, so your contribution is welcome.Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostComment
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As far as I'm concerned it's a pretty clear choice. Concerto Italiano would also be in the running but their set is missing book 7 as far as I can make out, and for me that's the most important one - book 8 contains some masterpieces but also IMO quite some padding like the Ballo delle ingrate and a gratuitous amount of "stile concitato".Originally posted by MickyD View PostComment
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