BaL 13.02.2021 - Stravinsky: Pulcinella

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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    #76
    Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
    Agree with much of the above - though the sound issue and AMcG ‘nodding dog’ interruptions didn’t really bother me as I found the reviewer excellent and the subject matter interesting. Nice cheap BAL as an early Abbado ‘adopter’ (see above) and I’m not particularly keen on having the suite.

    The Chailly is one I’d been curious about but the voices ruled it out for me on this hearing, and I wasn’t struck by other vocal line-ups we heard.

    The historical background to the piece (not least M de Falla passing on the project) and to the selections used by its creators was especially interesting to me. Did somebody say that with the Hogwood recording we get the originals as an appendix to the Suite? (That would make it worth exploring)
    Not the Hogwood recording of the suite (Basel) but the ballet, with the St Paul Chamber Orchestra: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stravinsky-.../dp/B06XH4H6RS (tracks 24 to 31).

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    • Nick Armstrong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 26575

      #77
      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      Not the Hogwood recording of the suite but the ballet, with the St Paul Chamber Orchestra: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stravinsky-.../dp/B06XH4H6RS (tracks 24 to 31).
      MANY thanks for the steer, Bryn
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • jayne lee wilson
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        • Jul 2011
        • 10711

        #78
        Originally posted by MickyD View Post
        All the other discs of theatre music that Hogwood did with the Basel orchestra for Arte Nova are well worth investigating, too.
        Absolutely - the Bizet L'Arlésienne / Strauss Gentilhomme ​is another winner, really gorgeous ...

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        • Nick Armstrong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 26575

          #79
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          Not the Hogwood recording of the suite (Basel) but the ballet, with the St Paul Chamber Orchestra: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stravinsky-.../dp/B06XH4H6RS (tracks 24 to 31).
          Cued up on Qobuz
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #80
            I listened to the Abbado, via his Strsvinsset with the LSO.
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • cloughie
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              • Dec 2011
              • 22206

              #81
              Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
              I listened to the Abbado, via his Strsvinsset with the LSO.
              I’ve had a Pulcinella ear worm for best part of a week now - anyone else caught it?

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              • gurnemanz
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                • Nov 2010
                • 7416

                #82
                Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                Appears to be more chat on here about the sound 'quality' than the subject in question; that said, I was not at all taken withe 'winner' - far too tepid, and lacking character. Lots of "plinkety plink..."

                Boulez is the one I'm going to investigate. Have Abbado, and one or two suites.
                Thanks for the nudge towards Boulez which I have as part of his good value Erato box. I hadn't played it for a while and have just listened again with great pleasure. Vivid presentation with humour and slightly grainy string sound. Interesting to read sleeve notes which refer to Boulez' initial rejection of Stravinsky's post Les Noces neo-classical works which for a couple of decades he refused to conduct, referring to "inconsistency", "sclerosis in all spheres", "spurious academicism". The recording seems to be evidence of his conversion.

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11123

                  #83
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  I’ve had a Pulcinella ear worm for best part of a week now - anyone else caught it?
                  I'm not sure that I've ever lost it.



                  PS: Maybe that's the real answer to vinteuil's original question.
                  The opening Sinfonia just always seems to be in my head, so it really was the obvious choice for my Forum name.
                  Last edited by Pulcinella; 15-02-21, 13:51. Reason: PS added.

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                  • Petrushka
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12334

                    #84
                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    I’ve had a Pulcinella ear worm for best part of a week now - anyone else caught it?
                    Just as I thought I'd shaken them off you've brought all those Pulcinella earworms back again!

                    The really obstinate one, in my case, is the Gavotta con due variazione but the whole piece is stuffed full of earworms.
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • Belgrove
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 951

                      #85
                      Stravinsky’s Pulcinella notebook is in the British Library collection of music manuscripts:

                      The site has a series of images from the notebook that may be of interest.

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12957

                        #86
                        Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                        Thanks for the nudge towards Boulez which I have as part of his good value Erato box. I hadn't played it for a while and have just listened again with great pleasure. Vivid presentation with humour and slightly grainy string sound. Interesting to read sleeve notes which refer to Boulez' initial rejection of Stravinsky's post Les Noces neo-classical works which for a couple of decades he refused to conduct, referring to "inconsistency", "sclerosis in all spheres", "spurious academicism". The recording seems to be evidence of his conversion.
                        ... the erato box gives Boulez's 1980 performance of the ballet with the Ensemble Intercontemporain.

                        In the big sony Boulez box there is (CD 43) his 1975 recording of the suite with the New York Philharmonic.

                        I'm not sure which Boulez recordings were flagged up in this Building a Library

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                        • Pulcinella
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                          • Feb 2014
                          • 11123

                          #87
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ... the erato box gives Boulez's 1980 performance of the ballet with the Ensemble Intercontemporain.

                          In the big sony Boulez box there is (CD 43) his 1975 recording of the suite with the New York Philharmonic.

                          I'm not sure which Boulez recordings were flagged up in this Building a Library

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                          See #72: it was his recording of the ballet, with the Ensemble Intercontemporain.
                          No mention (that I heard, anyway) of his NYPO recording of the suite.

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                          • vinteuil
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12957

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                            See #72L: it was his recording of the ballet, with the Ensemble Intercontemporain.
                            No mention (that I heard, anyway) of his NYPO recording of the suite.
                            ... ah, thanks for that. Sorry I didn't see this earlier

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                            • Pulcinella
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                              • Feb 2014
                              • 11123

                              #89
                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              ... ah, thanks for that. Sorry I didn't see this earlier

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                              I have the Erato recording in a 2CD ultima set, with very little documentation, and a very odd/limited track listing; I wonder if this was maintained in the reissue.
                              1. Overture [2'03"]
                              2. Serenata (tenor) - Scherzino (soloists) [22'25']
                              3. Tarantella (mezzo-soprano) [5'19']
                              4. Gavotta con due variationi [11'46']

                              I wonder when Boulez' 'conversion' happened?

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12957

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                                I have the Erato recording in a 2CD ultima set, with very little documentation, and a very odd/limited track listing; I wonder if this was maintained in the reissue.
                                1. Overture [2'03"]
                                2. Serenata (tenor) - Scherzino (soloists) [22'25']
                                3. Tarantella (mezzo-soprano) [5'19']
                                4. Gavotta con due variationi [11'46']

                                I wonder when Boulez' 'conversion' happened?
                                ... not much more info in the 14 CD box - oddly the timings not quite the same -

                                1. Overture [2'05"]
                                2. Serenata - Scherzino [22'26"]
                                3. Tarentella [5'20"]
                                4. Gavotta con due variazioni [10'57]

                                recording IRCAM Paris 12/1980
                                Ann Murray, mezzo-soprano; Anthony Rolfe-Johnson, tenor; Simon Estes. bass.

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