BaL 9.01.21 - Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto no. 3 in D minor

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    BaL 9.01.21 - Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto no. 3 in D minor

    9.30 Building a Library
    David Owen Norris chooses his favourite version of Rachmaninov’s Third Piano Concerto.

    Sergei Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No. 3 in D minor, Op. 30, was composed in 1909. The piece has become known as one of the most technically challenging concertos in the repertoire - a reputation that became even more widespread after the 1996 film Shine, based on the life of pianist David Helfgott. Rachmaninov himself was the soloist in the first performance in New York. He practised it on a silent keyboard that he brought with him while en route to the United States.

    Available versions:-

    Behzod Abduraimov, Concertgebouworkest, Valery Gergiev
    Behzod Abduraimov, Concertgebouworkest, Valery Gergiev (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Gerard Aimontche, Chineke! Orchestra, Roderick Cox
    Leif Ove Andsnes, Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra, Paavo Berglund *
    Leif Ove Andsnes, London Symphony Orchestra, Antonio Pappano
    Agustin Anievas, New Philharmonia Orchestra, Rafael Frühbeck de Burgos *
    Martha Argerich, Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra, Riccardo Chailly
    Vladimir Ashkenazy, Amsterdam Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink
    Vladimir Ashkenazy, Philadelphia Orchestra, Eugene Ormandy *
    Vladimir Ashkenazy, London Symphony Orchestra, André Previn
    Vladimir Ashkenazy, London Symphony Orchestra, Anatole Fistoulari
    Boris Berezovsky, Philharmonia Orchestra, Eliahu Inbal *
    Boris Berezovsky, Ural Philarmonic Orchestra, Dmitri Liss
    Lazar Berman, London Symphony Orchestra, Claudio Abbado
    Idil Biret, Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra, Antoni Wit
    Boris Bloch, Orchester der Folkwang Hochschule, David de Villier
    Jorge Bolet, London Symphony Orchestra, Ivan Fischer
    Yefim Bronf, Philharmonia Orchestra, Esa-Pekka Salonen *
    Yefim Bronfman, Berliner Philharmoniker, Sir Simon Rattle (DVD/Blu-ray),
    Yefim Bronfman, Philharmonia Orchestra, Esa-Pekka Salonen *
    Khatia Buniatishvili, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Paavo Järvi
    John Chen, Sydney Symphony Orchestra, János Fürst *
    Shura Cherkassky, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Yuri Temirkanov *
    Van Cliburn, Moscow Philharmonic, Kyrill Kondrashin (DVD)
    Van Cliburn, Symphony of the Air, Kiril Kondrashin
    Van Cliburn, Gürzenich-Orchester Köln, Wolfgang Sawallisch *
    Roberto Cominati, Sydney Symphony Orchestra, Edvard Tchivzhel *
    Sequeira Costa, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Christopher Seaman
    Barry Douglas, Russian State Symphony Orchestra, Evgeny Svetlanov *
    Vladimir Feltsman, Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, Zubin Mehta
    Vladimir Feltsman, Russian National Symphony Orchestra, Mikhail Pletnev
    Nelson Freire, Rotterdam Philharmonic Orchestra, David Zinman
    Andrei Gavrilov, Philadelphia Orchestra, Riccardo Muti
    Walter Gieseking, Concertgebouw Orchestra, Willem Mengelberg
    Emil Gilels, USSR State Orchestra, Kirill Kondrashin
    Emil Gilels, Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire, André Cluytens
    Emil Gilels, Philadelphia Orchestra, Eugene Ormandy
    Boris Giltburg, Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Carlos Miguel Prieto
    Bernd Glemser, RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra, Jerzy Maksymiuk
    Bernd Glemser, Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra, Antoni Wit
    Stewart Goodyear, Czech National Symphony Orchestra, Heiko Mathias Forster
    Horacio Gutierrez, Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Lorin Maazel
    Marc-André Hamelin, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladimir Jurowski
    Ian Hobson, Sinfonia Varsovia *
    Vladimir Horowitz, New York Philharmonic, Sir John Barbirolli
    Vladimir Horowitz, London Symphony Orchestra, Albert Coates
    Vladimir Horowitz, Hollywood Bowl Orchestra, Serge Koussevitzky
    Vladimir Horowitz , Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra, Sergej Kussevitzky *
    Vladimir Horowitz, New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Zubin Mehta *
    Vladimir Horowitz, New York Philharmonic, Eugene Ormandy *
    Vladimir Horowitz, RCA Victor Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner
    Stephen Hough, Dallas Symphony Orchestra, Andrew Litton
    Byron Janis, London Symphony Orchestra, Antal Dorati
    Byron Janis, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Charles Munch *
    Lydia Jardon, Slovak Radio Symphony Orchestra, Jean-Paul Penin *
    William Kapell, NBC Symphony Orchestra, Frank Black
    William Kapell, Victorian Symphony Orchestra, Sir Bernard Heinze
    Cyprien Katsaris, National Orchestra of Belgium, René Defossez
    Evgeny Kissin, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa *
    Zoltan Kocsis, San Francisco Symphony, Edo de Waart
    Michael Korstick, Janácek Philharmonic Orchestra, Dmitry Liss
    Lang Lang, St. Petersburg Philharmonic, Yuri Temirkanov
    André Laplante, Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra, Alexander Lazarev
    Alicia de Larrocha, London Symphony Orchestra, André Previn
    John Lill, BBC National Orchestra of Wales, Tadaaki Otaka
    Valentina Lisitsa, London Symphony Orchestra, Michael Francis
    Nikolai Lugansky, City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Sakari Oramo
    Nicolai Lugansky m State Academy Symphony Orchestra, Ivan Shpiller
    Moura Lympany, New Symphony Orchestra, Anthony Collins
    Moura Lympany, Philharmonia Orchestra, Walter Susskind
    Nikita Magaloff, Orchestre National de France, Zdenek Macal *
    Witold Malcuzynski, Philharmonia Orchestra, Paul Kletzki
    Oleg Marshev, Aarhus Symphony Orchestra, James Loughran
    Pietro Massa, Orchestra Bruno Maderna, Daniele Giorgi
    Denis Matsuev, Lucerne Festival Orchestra, Riccardo Chailly (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Denis Matsuev, Mariinsky Orchestra, Valery Gergiev (SACD)
    Denis Matsuev, Budapest Philharmonic Orchestra, Rico Saccani *
    Joseph Moog, Deutsche Staatsphilharmonie Rheinland Pfalz, Nicholas Milton
    Jon Nakamatsu, Rochester Philharmonic, Christopher Seaman *
    Lev Oborin, USSR State Orchestra, Konstantin Ivanov
    Noriko Ogawa, Malmö SymfoniOrkester, Owain Arwel Hughess
    Garrick Ohlsson, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, Robert Spano
    Alexei Orlovetsky, St. Petersburg New Classical Orchestra, Alexander Titov *
    Rafael Orozco, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Edo de Waart *
    Cristina Ortiz, Philharmonia Orchestra, Ivan Fischer *
    Cécile Ousset, Philharmonia Orchestra, Günther Herbig *
    Kun-Woo Paik, Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra, Vladimir Fedoseyev *
    Mikhail Petukhov, , Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra, Yuri Simonov *
    Andrei Pisarev, Russian Philharmonic Orchestra, Samuel Friedmann *
    Artur Pizarro, North German Radio Philharmonic Orchestra, Martyn Brabbins *
    Mikhail Pletnev, Russian National Orchestra, Mstislav Rostropovich *
    Jorge Luis Prats, Mexico Philharmonic Orchestra, Enrique Batiz *
    Sergey Rachmaninov, Philadelphia Orchestra, Eugene Ormandy
    Mikhail Rudy, St Petersburg Philharmonic Orchestra, Mariss Jansons
    Lise de la Salle, Philharmonia Zürich, Fabio Luisi
    Konstantin Scherbakov, Russian State Symphony Orchestra, Dmitry Yablonsky *
    Kazune Shimizu, NHK Symphony Orchestra, Vladimir Ashkenazy *
    Adam Skoumal, SPrague Symphony Orchestra, Leos Svarovsky
    Howard Shelley, Scottish National Orchestra, Bryden Thomson
    Abbey Simon, Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra, Leonard Slatkin
    Wibi Soerjadi, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Miguel Gomez-Martinez *
    Grigory Sokolov, BBC Philharmonic Orchestra, Yan Pascal Tortelier
    Yevgeny Sudbin, BBC Symphony Orchestra, Sakari Oramo (SACD)
    Jean-Yves Thibaudet, Cleveland Orchestra, Vladimir Ashkenazy
    Daniil Trifonov, Philadelphia Orchestra, Yannick Nézet-Séguin
    Simon Trpceski, Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, Vasily Petrenko
    Tamás Vásáry, London Symphony Orchestra, Yuri Ahronovitch
    Arcadi Volodos, Berliner Philharmoniker, James Levine
    Yuja Wang, Simón Bolívar Symphony Orchestra of Venezuela, Gustavo Dudamel
    André Watts, New York Philharmonic,Seiji Ozawa
    Alexis Weissenberg, Orchestre National de France, Leonard Bernstein
    Alexis Weissenberg, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georges Prêtre
    Earl Wild, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Jascha Horenstein
    Yukio Yokoyama, Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra, Kazuhiro Koizumi *
    Lilya Zilberstein, Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado

    * = download only
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 09-01-21, 11:49.
  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
    • 7537

    #2
    I have Azhkhenazy/Ormandy, my favorite as well as the Composer with Ormandy, Janis/Dorati, Argerich/Chailly,Wild/Horenstein, and K
    Cliburn/ Kondrasin. Oh, and my wife brought David Helfgott into the marriage...the one that intrigues me from Alpie list is Gieseking/Mengelberg....

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    • gradus
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      • Nov 2010
      • 5581

      #3
      Ashkenazy/Previn remains my favourite and all because of Ashkenazy slightly pausing where others usually don't at a point in the slow movement, such are the quirks of personal taste.

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22070

        #4
        Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
        I have Azhkhenazy/Ormandy, my favorite as well as the Composer with Ormandy, Janis/Dorati, Argerich/Chailly,Wild/Horenstein, and K
        Cliburn/ Kondrasin. Oh, and my wife brought David Helfgott into the marriage...the one that intrigues me from Alpie list is Gieseking/Mengelberg....
        Odds are it won’t get a mention.
        Last edited by cloughie; 24-12-20, 14:03.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
          • 6580

          #5
          Didn’t Argerich carry the palm last time? I bought the CD a on the strength of that . Absolute heresy I know but I just think she drives things too much and hits the piano too hard. She also plays the “easier” cadenza . Tamas Vasary gives an excellent performance of that . I also like Ashkenazy in this and the man himself Rachmaninov..Simon Trpceski of the newer performances is also excellent.

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          • Barbirollians
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11522

            #6
            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
            Didn’t Argerich carry the palm last time? I bought the CD a on the strength of that . Absolute heresy I know but I just think she drives things too much and hits the piano too hard. She also plays the “easier” cadenza . Tamas Vasary gives an excellent performance of that . I also like Ashkenazy in this and the man himself Rachmaninov..Simon Trpceski of the newer performances is also excellent.
            Was it David Fanning last time ? If so definitely a fan of the Argerich as am I .

            Ashkenazy/Fistoulari I also think did well once.

            I also have a soft spot for the old Lympany record and the Berman/Abbado.

            Also bad recording but awesome performance Horowitz/Barbirolli and the much more recent Wang/Dudamel.

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
              • 10699

              #7
              Jeremy Nicholas, in his Gramophone review

              says he was reduced to tears by one of the versions I have, Weissenberg/Chicago SO/Prêtre.
              Too bad that the very first orchestral chord is clipped.


              Ashkenazy/LSO/Previn the mainstay here, though, but I find another version on the shelves too:
              Glemser/National SO of Ireland/Maksymiuk
              I think that I bought it before my collection was merged with my partner's (as he had the Ashkenazy version chez lui).

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              • rauschwerk
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                • Nov 2010
                • 1478

                #8
                I first got to know this piece in my early teens. It must have made quite an impression, since I almost immediately bought a study score. Now, though, it's my least favourite among Rachmaninov's works for piano and orchestra. All the three recordings I have are 60 or more years old. However, I feel sure that David Owen Norris will have plenty of illuminating things to say, so I'll probably give him a hearing.

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                • Barbirollians
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11522

                  #9
                  Probably lots of interesting things to say and then have a bizarre winner !

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                  • Barbirollians
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11522

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Jeremy Nicholas, in his Gramophone review

                    says he was reduced to tears by one of the versions I have, Weissenberg/Chicago SO/Prêtre.
                    Too bad that the very first orchestral chord is clipped.


                    Ashkenazy/LSO/Previn the mainstay here, though, but I find another version on the shelves too:
                    Glemser/National SO of Ireland/Maksymiuk
                    I think that I bought it before my collection was merged with my partner's (as he had the Ashkenazy version chez lui).
                    Edward Greenfield took a very different view of the Weissenberg/Pretre in 1969 !

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10699

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                      Edward Greenfield took a very different view of the Weissenberg/Pretre in 1969 !
                      Maybe he was reduced to a different sort of tears!

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                      • Barbirollians
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11522

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        Maybe he was reduced to a different sort of tears!
                        Yes - he said it concentrated on showiness to the complete exclusion of Rachmaninov’s musical values or something similar and his only pleasure in reviewing it came from listening to Ashkenazy and Fistoulari as a comparison.

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                        • TalktoAudience
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                          • May 2020
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          Maybe he was reduced to a different sort of tears!
                          Wow! I didn't know the name but I was intrigued enough to have a listen.

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                          • Pulcinella
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                            • Feb 2014
                            • 10699

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TalktoAudience View Post
                            Wow! I didn't know the name but I was intrigued enough to have a listen.
                            What did you think?
                            You've made me want to dig it out and listen again before Saturday.
                            I first heard of Weissenberg when I got his recording of Prokofiev 3 and the Ravel G major on LP; they are part of the 'introuvables' box set that includes the Rachmaninov.

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                            • Alison
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 6437

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              Yes - he said it concentrated on showiness to the complete exclusion of Rachmaninov’s musical values or something similar and his only pleasure in reviewing it came from listening to Ashkenazy and Fistoulari as a comparison.
                              Goodness me, that is stinging criticism from the normally charitable Ted.

                              I can’t think think of any Weissenberg recording that got a good reception in Penguin Guides.

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