BaL 19.12.20 - Mahler Symphony no. 1

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  • visualnickmos
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3614

    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
    Lenny with NYPO is in - I have rather more of a soft spot for the DG.
    I agree.

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    • DoctorT

      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      Yes
      Can you please elucidate? I have been unable to find it

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        Originally posted by DoctorT View Post
        Can you please elucidate? I have been unable to find it
        As advised in #173, it is in the Bruno Walter edition from Sony and works out at a little over £3 pro rata. The trouble is, you have to pay for the other 76 discs at the same rate. There is a copy of the earlier 39 disc Walter edition on amazon.co.uk. That also has it.

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        • cloughie
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          • Dec 2011
          • 22182

          Originally posted by Wolfram View Post
          She also called the Kubelik 'historic'. Now that really does make me feel old.
          I still think of ‘historic’ applying only to recordings that started life on 78s! Not even the Decca VPO Kubelik applies in that respect.

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          • Parry1912
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            • Nov 2010
            • 965

            I’m willing to accept anything in mono as being historic but otherwise it’s just ‘showing its age’.
            Del boy: “Get in, get out, don’t look back. That’s my motto!”

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12936

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              As advised in #173, it is in the Bruno Walter edition from Sony and works out at a little over £3 pro rata. The trouble is, you have to pay for the other 76 discs at the same rate. There is a copy of the earlier 39 disc Walter edition on amazon.co.uk. That also has it.
              ... the Big Box also has the 1955 recording with the 'Philharmonic-Symphony Society of New York'. Good to have both, surely...

              .

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                I wish Moore had got her history right. The Budapest performance she cites as the first was of a different work which Mahler developed into the First Symphony. The First Symphony has its premiere in Berin in 1896. Indeed, the work performed in Budapest in 1889 is not dealt with in this BaL, except in a passing reference.
                Hosts: transfer this to Pedants' Paradise?

                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Just remembered that I also have the Walter/Columbia SO recording in this 13 disc set:



                  However, though from a 20-bit transfer, I don't think it is the most recent remastering.

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                  • jayne lee wilson
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                    • Jul 2011
                    • 10711

                    Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                    Hosts: transfer this to Pedants' Paradise?

                    Disappointing, LMP - Bryn is absolutely right to insist on musico-historical precision from a BaL reviewer.....

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                      Disappointing, LMP - Bryn is absolutely right to insist on musico-historical precision from a BaL reviewer.....
                      Though LMP's post did serve to alert me to a typo in mine. Since there are no complete recordings of the work she cited at the first performance of the 1st Symphony (only three of the five movements survive*) she might at least have considered at least one of the several recordings of its later development into the 1893 Hamburg version of the Symphonic Poem in 2 Parts, 'Titan'.

                      * Those three movements, intersperced with the missing two from the Hamburg score, can be found on Youtube.



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                      Hugh Wolff, NEC's Stanford and Norma Jean Calderwood Director of Orchestras, conducts the NEC Philharmonia in a performance of Mahler's Symphony No. 1 in a r...


                      Hugh Wolff, NEC's Stanford and Norma Jean Calderwood Director of Orchestras, conducts the NEC Philharmonia in a performance of Mahler's Symphony No. 1 in a reconstructed edition, based on two of the earliest manuscript sources for the symphony. The majority of the music is a transcription of a newly discovered manuscript at the Mahler-Rosé Collection at the University of Western Ontario containing three movements of the originally five-movement symphony. This music is believed to be the earliest version of the First Symphony, premiered in Budapest in November 1889.
                      The two movements missing from the Ontario manuscript -- the Blumine and the Funeral March -- are performed from their own earliest manuscript source from the Osborne collection at Yale, reflecting the second, 1893 Hamburg performance of the symphony.
                      This performance of the First includes not only the Blumine movement that Mahler initially took over from another work and ultimately discarded, but also significant segments of music, notably in the Finale, that never made it into any subsequent versions. Originally called Symphonic Poem in Two Parts, the work features a smaller, less Mahlerian orchestra than in its later incarnations, and gives insight into the compositional process that transformed this piece into the Mahler First Symphony that we know today. This work, in Mahler's words "the most spontaneous and daringly composed of all", was subsequently heavily revised, yet due to the public's rejection, remained as he observed his "child of sorrow".

                      NEC's concert marked the American premiere of this earliest version of the Symphony, and the first time it has been heard in this form since its 1889 premiere. This performing edition was prepared from microfilms of the manuscripts by Kristo Kondakci '09 Prep, '13 B.M., an NEC composition major studying with Michael Gandolfi and John Mallia.
                      For more information: http://necmusic.edu/mahler
                      Last edited by Bryn; 19-12-20, 16:15. Reason: Update

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                      • gurnemanz
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7405

                        I got the Walter/CSO a few years ago via a useful twofer combination for £4.90 second hand but in perfect nick from Momox via Amazon (now with limited and more expensive availability). Already having good Firsts from Bernstein, Tennstedt and Kubelik, it was actually the included Resurrection which was my main reason for purchase - I was in a Maureen Forrester phase at the time (still am). It also has Lieder eines fahrenden with Mildred Miller. Great remastered sound. Drawback: Resurrection is split annoyingly across 2 CDS.

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20572

                          Originally posted by DoctorT View Post
                          Can you please elucidate? I have been unable to find it


                          When I compiled the list a couple of weeks ago, I recall finding a more accessible version (not part of an expensive set) but that doesn't seem to be around now. Sorry.

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                          • Barbirollians
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11752

                            There is one on Amazon for £14.97

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              I guess this is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mahler-Symp...usic&sr=1-1the one people are after?

                              More choices here......

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
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                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6932

                                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                                I swear that at one stage this morning that self same recording on Amazon was £27 , then went up to £38 . Now it’s £15. Aside from making more money than any of us can possibly believe what is Bezos up to?

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