BaL 28.11.20 - Copland: Clarinet Concerto

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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #16
    I don’t mind this work but it’s not a favourite.
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • Belgrove
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 951

      #17
      Streaming tonight as part of the London Jazz Festival:

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      • Pulcinella
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        • Feb 2014
        • 11129

        #18
        Originally posted by Belgrove View Post
        Streaming tonight as part of the London Jazz Festival:
        https://efglondonjazzfestival.org.uk...itten-sinfonia
        One for The Grumble Thread, really, but I DO wish that concert programmes would not just say Appalachian Spring, but tell us if it's the suite or the ballet, and which version!

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        • Goon525
          Full Member
          • Feb 2014
          • 606

          #19
          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
          One for The Grumble Thread, really, but I DO wish that concert programmes would not just say Appalachian Spring, but tell us if it's the suite or the ballet, and which version!
          Not to mention The Firebird. Oh, and I remember back in the 70s I was going to the RAH to hear Marriner and the ASMF do the Mozart Requiem. The first half was supposed to be the Haffner Serenade, but it was changed at short notice to the Haffner symphony. A very different kettle of fish, and an absurdly short first half.

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          • Pulcinella
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            • Feb 2014
            • 11129

            #20
            Originally posted by Goon525 View Post
            Not to mention The Firebird. Oh, and I remember back in the 70s I was going to the RAH to hear Marriner and the ASMF do the Mozart Requiem. The first half was supposed to be the Haffner Serenade, but it was changed at short notice to the Haffner symphony. A very different kettle of fish, and an absurdly short first half.

            Or Pulcinella.

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            • Goon525
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              • Feb 2014
              • 606

              #21
              Mr Simpson is doing rather better than on his last appearance on RR. A decent start.

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                #22
                Did anyone else wonder as the opening of the work was played, whether it was somewhere in PMD's head as he penned Farewell to Stromness??
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • Ein Heldenleben
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 6984

                  #23
                  Interesting that the reviewer is getting into the great vibrato question early on . I think the great clarinet player Reginald Kell gave Benny Goodman lessons when the latter realised his technique needing improving particularly across the break . Kell used vibrato a lot but BG on this slow movement uses hardly any even though when jazzing he did . A clarinetist once told me that Kell discouraged his pupils from playing jazz and could instantly tell if they had been . A myth maybe ?

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                  • rauschwerk
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1482

                    #24
                    Far too much wittering for me! 15 minutes in and we have had only four short excerpts! I give up.

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                    • Goon525
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 606

                      #25
                      Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                      Far too much wittering for me! 15 minutes in and we have had only four short excerpts! I give up.
                      I really don’t agree. Yes, they’re spending more time on the music itself than usual, but that may be because it’s less familiar (to me, anyway) than most BaLs. He’s explaining now why he doesn’t go for the German approach, and demonstrating why. What’s wrong with that?

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                      • Pulcinella
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                        • Feb 2014
                        • 11129

                        #26
                        Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                        Far too much wittering for me! 15 minutes in and we have had only four short excerpts! I give up.
                        Not wittering, for me, anyway, but sensible and pertinent comments, with not much interruption from AMcG (yet!), and what excerpts!
                        Enjoying this very much!
                        But then I adore this piece.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6984

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          Not wittering, for me, anyway, but sensible and pertinent comments, with not much interruption from AMcG (yet!), and what excerpts!
                          Enjoying this very much!
                          But then I adore this piece.
                          This reviewer really knows what he is talking about...

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                          • Pulcinella
                            Host
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 11129

                            #28
                            Very confused, here!
                            Is this the same recording that 'won' last time round?
                            Is the conductor really Schneider, or Thierry Fischer (see post #3)?

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                            • Darloboy
                              Full Member
                              • Jun 2019
                              • 335

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                              Very confused, here!
                              Is this the same recording that 'won' last time round?
                              Is the conductor really Schneider, or Thierry Fischer (see post #3)?
                              I think they've made a mistake. I've just checked the COE Records entry on Discogs (COE 811) and it names Fischer as conductor. Schneider is listed as conductor for the Mozart clarinet concerto on the same CD. So if you've already got the ASV CD from last time round, you don't need to buy the COE CD.

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                              • Rolmill
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 636

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Darloboy View Post
                                I think they've made a mistake. I've just checked the COE Records entry on Discogs (COE 811) and it names Fischer as conductor. Schneider is listed as conductor for the Mozart clarinet concerto on the same CD. So if you've already got the ASV CD from last time round, you don't need to buy the COE CD.
                                Yes, that matches the info in my ASV CD - I'm sure my post above (#3) was correct, the Copland is conducted by Fischer so this is the same version that 'won' last time. The ASV 'Platinum' series reissue (coupled with more Copland music) confirms these performers.

                                I enjoyed this BaL and, as a now lapsed amateur clarinettist, learnt a lot about a piece I have always loved. I thought MS did a fine job of covering the key technical and interpretative issues, with good illustrations from a sensible shortlist of recordings (though I regretted the absence of the Schifrin). I suppose you could say that the final choice wasn't especially well signposted or supported by MS, but a) this was clearly just a personal preference amongst several fine recordings, and b) I agreed with him, so he must be right

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