BaL 26.09.20 - Mozart: Mass in C minor K427 'Great'

[jayne lee wilson]

Caught up with the programme this morning: no reference to NH that I can recall.

The Minkowski for which Jayne advocates was summarily dismissed in the preamble chat as “not really a contender”...

That does genuinely shock me. Any reason given apart from those two, very brief editing glitches?

Despite those problems...
"Clearly a noteworthy project.....
...A recording that would, on its own terms, demand consideration among the best of the rest..."
David Threasher, Gramophone 9/2020, a very thoughtful and detailed review...(although he doesn't specify which others he had in mind..)

So just seek it out and give it a listen.... I'd be intrigued to hear any other views on it...

[Nick Armstrong]

That does genuinely shock me. Any reason given apart from those two, very brief editing glitches?

No reason at all was given. Just... “not really a contender“

[LMcD]

Does anybody else out there have the Philips John Eliot Gardiner DVD which also includes the Requiem?

[LHC]

Does anybody else out there have the Philips John Eliot Gardiner DVD which also includes the Requiem?

I don’t have the Philips DVD, but I do have an off-air DVD recording I made when they were shown on BBC4 in the early 2000s; as I recall the programme was titled Mozart in Barcelona. Both performances are very good, and well worth seeking out.

[cloughie]

Was the Langree recording with Natalie Dessay and Veronique Gens given a mention - I really like it!

[MickyD]

No reason at all was given. Just... “not really a contender“

Just listened to it...what a strangely dismissive thing to say about such an important conductor.

[Richard Barrett]

The Minkowski for which Jayne advocates was summarily dismissed in the preamble chat as “not really a contender”...

Well, the performance is superb as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not usually a big fan of Minkowski. Those edits though really oughtn't to have got through to the release.

[Bryn]

Well, the performance is superb as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not usually a big fan of Minkowski. Those edits though really oughtn't to have got through to the release.

I have not listened to it. Are they the sort of errors one might repair by ripping and opening in a DAW?

[BBMmk2]

Does anybody else out there have the Philips John Eliot Gardiner DVD which also includes the Requiem?

That sounds good!

[Flay]

Does anybody else out there have the Philips John Eliot Gardiner DVD which also includes the Requiem?

As I previously mentioned, you can view it on YouTube.

Requiem: https://youtu.be/qzb_cB_AZzE

Mass: https://youtu.be/5QfJC7bXeZw

(If that's the version you're after)

[LMcD]

As I previously mentioned, you can view it on YouTube.

Requiem: https://youtu.be/qzb_cB_AZzE

Mass: https://youtu.be/5QfJC7bXeZw

(If that's the version you're after)

As long as you don't mind your Requiem in 7 parts!

[Bryn]

As long as you don't mind your Requiem in 7 parts!

Some of which bear little direct relation to Mozart.

[Flay]

Some of which bear little direct relation to Mozart.

I hadn't viewed the requiem.

Consider it a preview.

[Bryn]

I hadn't viewed the requiem.

Consider it a preview.

Searching for something quite different, I have just uncovered my DVD of the MC/EBS/JEG performances of K626 and K427. Erik Smith's programme notes for the DVD go into reasonable detail on what, of the Requiem, was composed by Mozart, what by Eybler, what by Sussmayr, what was orchestrated by Stadler and what of Sussmayr's contribution was removed by JEG in the version performed and recorded for this DVD. That is what I was referring to by "bear little direct relation to Mozart". I am currently listening to the Alois Schmitt and JEG completion of K427 from that same DVD.

By the way, the DVD is still available, at a price, from amazon.co.uk but you have to search for Mozart Requiem Gardiner. Including the Mass in C Minor in your search will fail to find it. Easier still, just search for B000B8ISPU there. Oh, and the DVD has both stereo LPCM and DTS surround options for the audio.

[Darloboy]

I see that the Hogwood (which I preferred to the Suzuki, at least in the excerpts chosen) is a Presto CD only, so presumably has been deleted by Decca. Perhaps reviewers should do their homework on availability before including a recording in their shortlists?
Having never bought a Presto CD, are these playable on any CD player and do they have the same booklet/ texts/ translations as the originals?

I have bought some Prestos before. The CDs are fine and the booklets are complete but there's definitely a difference in print finish on some of their booklets - particularly on things like Philips CDs with the reflective Philips Classics logo - if that bothers you.