BaL 26.09.20 - Mozart: Mass in C minor K427 'Great'

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  • Ein Heldenleben
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    • Apr 2014
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    #31
    Originally posted by Goon525 View Post
    Sounds like this is heading Suzuki-wards
    Brilliant early call - any thoughts on the 4.30 Race at Kempton ?

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    • Goon525
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      • Feb 2014
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      #32
      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
      Brilliant early call - any thoughts on the 4.30 Race at Kempton ?
      I can’t claim much credit - it was pretty obvious pretty quickly.

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      • Alison
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        • Nov 2010
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        #33
        FHG would have hated the blanket dismissal of HvK.

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        • Alison
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          • Nov 2010
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          #34
          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
          Weird twofer this . Simon is sometimes delivering with the scripted tone of the authoriative standalone presenter which makes Andrew's odd interrogatory interjection all the more odd sounding dare I say superfluous ?
          My thoughts exactly.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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            • Nov 2010
            • 20570

            #35
            Originally posted by Alison View Post
            My thoughts exactly.
            I see the choices were HIPP or HIPP.

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            • Ein Heldenleben
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              • Apr 2014
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              #36
              Originally posted by Alison View Post
              FHG would have hated the blanket dismissal of HvK.
              Thing is I like long legato violin lines and I like the string section of the BPO who desk for desk knock most HIPP bands into a cocked hat....but I agree about the lost woodwind and the lumpy chorus.

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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
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                #37
                Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                Thing is I like long legato violin lines and I like the string section of the BPO who desk for desk knock most HIPP bands into a cocked hat....but I agree about the lost woodwind and the lumpy chorus.
                Is that in Karajan or Abbado?

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  • Apr 2014
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  Is that in Karajan or Abbado?
                  That’s my summary of Simon’s dismissal of The 81:Karajan which I partially agree with.

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                  • Bryn
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #39
                    I did not get to bed until around 03:00, so drifted off quite early in the survey. Was much made of the editions used and their relative merits/demerits? Interesting to see that CH pipped JEG, this time.

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                    • Ein Heldenleben
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                      • Apr 2014
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      I did not get to bed until around 03:00, so drifted off quite early in the survey. Was much made of the editions used and their relative merits/demerits? Interesting to see that CH pipped JEG, this time.

                      Didn’t hear much edition talk but I was only half listening...

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                      • Bryn
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                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                        Didn’t hear much edition talk but I was only half listening...
                        A quick check of the booklet pdf confirms that Suzuki used the Beyer completion. Hogwood used the Maunder. Both editions take a minimalist approach to the fillings out. As far as I can see, only the rejected Rilling used the more interventionist Levin edition.

                        The issue of editions is dealt with, to some extent, from around 09:56.
                        Last edited by Bryn; 26-09-20, 11:13. Reason: Update.

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                        • BBMmk2
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          #42
                          I’ll be getting the Suzuki. One of very few Mozart works I like.
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #43
                            I am going to have to seach my old hard drives and DVD-Rs for the 2006 Proms performance of Levin's completion (Voices, OAE, Mackerras):

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                            • visualnickmos
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #44
                              Slightly odd BaL; however, I did like the (short) extract from the Sony recording with, I think the BRSO... with those timps and trumpets! As to the "winner" I would need to hear more. From the too few and too short extracts, I thought they sounded a little too safe - too perfect, even.The reviewer seemed to roundly discount Karajan from the off, but later on expressed that he was re-warming to it. Nothing wrong with that. Reviewers are human too!

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                #45
                                Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                                Slightly odd BaL; however, I did like the (short) extract from the Sony recording with, I think the BRSO... with those timps and trumpets! As to the "winner" I would need to hear more. From the too few and too short extracts, I thought they sounded a little too safe - too perfect, even.The reviewer seemed to roundly discount Karajan from the off, but later on expressed that he was re-warming to it. Nothing wrong with that. Reviewers are human too!
                                It was the Hofkapelle Stuttgart, not the BRSO.

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