BaL 26.09.20 - Mozart: Mass in C minor K427 'Great'

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  • visualnickmos
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3609

    #16
    Just seen that I also have Solt's recording. Had it for years, and never played! Out of site, out.......

    I'l give that a spin tonight. Looking fwd to that, with a glass or two !

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    • Petrushka
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12235

      #17
      I have Solti, Abbado and Karajan yet it's a work I rarely play and hardly know at all. An opportunity to get to know it better
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • LHC
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        • Jan 2011
        • 1556

        #18
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        The DVD, coupled with Dvorak 7 is at a reasonable price on amazon.co.uk
        They are different performances. The performance coupled with the Dvorak is the Nobel Prize concert from 2008. The 1991 performance is coupled with the Requiem from a concert given in the Palau des Arts in Barcelona.
        "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
        Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #19
          Originally posted by LHC View Post
          They are different performances. The performance coupled with the Dvorak is the Nobel Prize concert from 2008. The 1991 performance is coupled with the Requiem from a concert given in the Palau des Arts in Barcelona.
          Ah, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Requ.../dp/B000B8ISPU

          Just the one there, I think. Also to be found over the Pond, however.

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          • Flay
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            • Mar 2007
            • 5795

            #20
            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            Ah, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Requ.../dp/B000B8ISPU

            Just the one there, I think. Also to be found over the Pond, however.
            They all look to be 2nd hand and expensive unfortunately. Best to tolerate the version on YouTube, if only for a sampling.

            Small choirs and a small orchestra in a fabulous setting. It works for me
            Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              #21
              I have three versions: Karajan, Solti and Gardiner. The Karajan was one of my earliest CDs, but I can never get over Barbara Hendricks's frog-in-the-throat at the most sensitive moment, as she sings that most etherial rising figure in the Kyrie.

              I first heard the work when playing it in an orchestra in Stoke-on-Trent in 1973. This was in a version completed in a similar way to Sussmayer's completion of the Requiem, in that the opening Kyrie music was adjusted to fit the words of the Agnus Dei. It was most effective, and I'd like to hear this arrangement again if possible.

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                #22
                The JEG does it here, with some support from Franz Welser-Möst. Well, he does have Felicity Lott helping things along...
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10894

                  #23
                  Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                  The JEG does it here, with some support from Franz Welser-Möst. Well, he does have Felicity Lott helping things along...
                  I don't have the FW-M recording of the C minor Mass, but I do have his Mozart Requiem, similarly LPO and Chorus, once more with Felicity Lott (together with Della Jones, Keith Lewis, and Willard White).
                  I haven't listened to it in ages but I think it was pretty good (Beyer edition).

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                  • Darloboy
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                    • Jun 2019
                    • 323

                    #24
                    Last time out, in June 96, Anthony Burton made no fewer than 6 recommendations. Gardiner was 1st choice; Marriner was Economy Choice; Abbado was Large-Scale Choice; Hogwood was Runner-Up (presumably to Gardiner, not Abbado); Herreweghe was Period Bargain; and Bernstein was “Also Outstanding”. Perhaps surprising that Sir Colin Davis didn’t feature amongst so many recommendations.

                    Suzuki’s 2017 Gramophone Award winner must be a contender this time round.

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                    • visualnickmos
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3609

                      #25
                      I listened Solt's recording last night. It's 1990, Decca, and rather surprisingly, I found that the technical quality (sound) was not up to Decca's normally impeccable standards. Tending to get a bit muffled and shrill in the upper registers of some choral 'bits'

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7382

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Darloboy View Post
                        Last time out, in June 96, Anthony Burton made no fewer than 6 recommendations. Gardiner was 1st choice; Marriner was Economy Choice; Abbado was Large-Scale Choice; Hogwood was Runner-Up (presumably to Gardiner, not Abbado); Herreweghe was Period Bargain; and Bernstein was “Also Outstanding”. Perhaps surprising that Sir Colin Davis didn’t feature amongst so many recommendations.

                        Suzuki’s 2017 Gramophone Award winner must be a contender this time round.
                        Prepared for this by listening yesterday to Hogwood - my only CD, which came across very well with period instruments, boys' voices and a fine quartet of soloists, including a favourite of mine, Arleen Auger. Choice of performing version/completion will no doubt also have a role to play in today's decision.

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                        • LeMartinPecheur
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4717

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          I don't have the FW-M recording of the C minor Mass, but I do have his Mozart Requiem, similarly LPO and Chorus, once more with Felicity Lott (together with Della Jones, Keith Lewis, and Willard White).
                          I haven't listened to it in ages but I think it was pretty good (Beyer edition).
                          My FW-M K427 came coupled with your K626 in a CfP twofer. Seems to have cost me just a £1 donation to a charity Must give 'em both another spin...
                          I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                          • Ein Heldenleben
                            Full Member
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 6755

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            I have three versions: Karajan, Solti and Gardiner. The Karajan was one of my earliest CDs, but I can never get over Barbara Hendricks's frog-in-the-throat at the most sensitive moment, as she sings that most etherial rising figure in the Kyrie.

                            I first heard the work when playing it in an orchestra in Stoke-on-Trent in 1973. This was in a version completed in a similar way to Sussmayer's completion of the Requiem, in that the opening Kyrie music was adjusted to fit the words of the Agnus Dei. It was most effective, and I'd like to hear this arrangement again if possible.

                            Barbara Hendricks has just been singled out as a redeeming feature of the otherwise overly legato , too massive (my summary of reviewer's opinion ) 81 Karajan. She did have an amazing voice - those low notes. I have the Colin Davis which I suspect wont get mentioned as it's not HIPP and Davis isnt hip (save in the opinion of many on this forum)

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                            • Goon525
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                              • Feb 2014
                              • 597

                              #29
                              Sounds like this is heading Suzuki-wards

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
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                                • Apr 2014
                                • 6755

                                #30
                                Weird twofer this . Simon is sometimes delivering with the scripted tone of the authoriative standalone presenter which makes Andrew's odd interrogatory interjection all the more odd sounding dare I say superfluous ?

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