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Why do you think they play the stuff so quickly? (Not so much HIPP as HIC!)[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT] -
Too much repetition?Comment
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I've re-listened to five of my nine K543s.
Dullest by far: Karajan with the VPO in 1949 (which is among other things singularly shorn of repeats).
Most interesting and exciting: tie between AAM/Schroeder/Hogwood (1980s) and Prague CO/Mackerras (1990).Last edited by verismissimo; 02-02-20, 20:26.Comment
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It’s a good thing that Mahler didn’t repeat his expositionsComment
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Whoops....Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
... ever heard No.1, or No.6 much? See my #59....
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Are you not familiar with the 6th, for instance? Just because Charles MacKerras did not observe that in the first movement does not mean Mahler did not call for one.Originally posted by Braunschlag View PostComment
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It's on the Currentzis recording, for example.Originally posted by Bryn[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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Yes - and on Haitink, Karajan, Bernstein, Abbado...... I don't listen to Mahler much now, but back in my Mahler Day, in the 1st and 6th I was always surprised (and disappointed) when the repeat wasn't taken ...Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
Oddly enough, the fastest & slowest Mahler 6ths I know (Kondrashin/Leningrad....NPO/Barbirolli) do omit it.... some contrast of rationales there.
Not to mention No.10....Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 03-02-20, 22:22.Comment
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So - Mozart 39.......
You want - modern, fast, sharply articulated, muscular, dynamic, upfront-immediate with every detail explicit....?
Australian Chamber Orchestra/Richard Tognetti....
Out in 2016 on ABC-CD as part of all the last three live ("Mozart's Last Symphonies"), I loved it straight away - so pleased to find it sounding just as good, if not better on this revisit...
Very exciting but tender where needed.... a great "modern choice".....
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As an Aus citizen I suppose I should get it... Actually I thought this was their recent one, which is actually Mozart 25 and Haydn (49, 104) - have you heard it?Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostSo - Mozart 39.......
You want - modern, fast, sharply articulated, muscular, dynamic, upfront-immediate with every detail explicit....?
Australian Chamber Orchestra/Richard Tognetti....
Out in 2016 on ABC-CD as part of all the last three live ("Mozart's Last Symphonies"), I loved it straight away - so pleased to find it sounding just as good, if not better on this revisit...
Very exciting but tender where needed.... a great "modern choice".....
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozarts-Las...0871485&sr=8-3Comment
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As for the 2ndhalf repeats, these have become much more frequent in the recent Haydn series from Thomas Fey and Giovanni Antonini; I always enjoy them, and note that they are carefully chosen: the conductor doesn't include them in every work, which surely any listener should respect.
These may seem harder to justify musically or metaphysically (just give me time, I'm sure I'll come up with something).... but one way out of this endless but still stimulating debate would be to accept a given composer's/performer's choices, [/QUOTE]
I'm always dismayed when the long second repeat, development and recapitulation, in the first movement of Op59/2 is omitted, which to be fair it usually is. Surely Beethoven most have wanted it observed for him to have bothered to have indicated it in the first place. I believe by the time of writing Opp59 the long repeat in sonata movements was falling out of fashion and their inclusion becoming more rare, which I think only adds weight to Beethoven's intention that it be observed. It is matter for debate whether the inclusion of the first movement long repeat better balances the long slow movement that follows.Comment
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Oh God, no.....I can hear it in my head already...Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
How about elegance, grace, a bit of restraint and under-statement perhaps, songfulness and sweetness, vigour at times certainly, but every detail, not explicit please, but in place so you get a sense of the whole?
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I did say "tender where needed".....which it is....... but describing is one thing, hearing another..... which is why I thank the Human & Musical Gods for streaming....Originally posted by silvestrione View PostOh God, no.....I can hear it in my head already...
How about elegance, grace, a bit of restraint and under-statement perhaps, songfulness and sweetness, vigour at times certainly, but every detail, not explicit please, but in place so you get a sense of the whole?
But I do think the Tognetti 39-41 is a great Mozart album, one that by its very freshness and virtuosity should only stimulate the musical responses, almost irrespective of one's assumed tastes or preferences.... I often feel than an explicit and immediate sound is particularly apt for home listening, especially when it is this well recorded - the sound-balance isn't harsh or fierce.
So its back to that old slogan on the jogger's t-shirt....
Akiralx.... not not seen that Mozart/Haydn one - thanks, I'll seek it out on Qobuz....OK! Lined up for later.... I do love a good Forty-Niner....Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 05-02-20, 22:13.Comment
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