BaL 25.01.20 - Chopin: Four Scherzi

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    BaL 25.01.20 - Chopin: Four Scherzi

    9.30
    Building a Library: Iain Burnside compares recordings of Chopin's four scherzi for piano, Opuses 20, 31, 39 and 54 - and picks a favourite.
    Scherzo No 1 in B minor Op 20
    Scherzo No 2 in B flat minor Op 31
    Scherzo No 3 in C sharp minor Op 39
    Scherzo No 4 in E major Op 54
    Chopin's four scherzi, much loved and oft recorded by the world's greatest pianists, are a feat of technique, lyricism and musical story-telling. Each is a mini drama and they were written for concert performance rather than the salon. The scherzi also span Chopin's own compositional journey. Whilst the first scherzo is defiant and assertive, demonstrating the youthful energy of the composer, the fourth, written towards the end of his life, is more elusive. Together with the ballades, Chopin's four scherzi stand supreme amongst his entire output for solo piano. (I didn't write any of this - EA)

    Available versions:

    Claudio Arrau
    Bernard d'Ascoli
    Vladimir Ashkenazy
    Emanuel Ax
    Idil Biret
    Felicja Blumental
    Jorge Bolet
    Nikolai Demidenko
    Marta Deyanova
    Samuel Dilworth-Leslie
    François-René Duchâble
    Sebastien Dupuis *
    Pavel Egorov *
    Philippe Entremont
    Bruno d’Espiney
    Sergio Fiorentino
    Samson François
    Nelson Freire
    Bernd Glemser
    Benjamin Grosvenor
    Stephen Hough
    Cyril Huvé
    Ivo Kahánek
    Cyprien Katsaris *
    Lang Lang
    Lang Lang (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Elisabeth Leonskaja (SACD)
    Yundi Li *
    Louis Lortie
    Nikita Magaloff
    Islam Manafov
    Ivan Moravec
    Eugene Mursky
    Garrick Ohlsson
    Cécile Ousset *
    Piotr Paleczny
    Alexander Paley *
    Nikolai Petrov
    Mikhail Pletnev *
    Ivo Pogorelich
    Maurizio Pollini
    Sviatoslav Richter
    Sviatoslav Richter (Munich 1977)
    Sviatoslav Richter
    Charles Rosen *
    Arthur Rubinstein
    Arthur Rubinstein
    Arthur Rubinstein
    Burkard Schliessmann (SACD)
    Basinia Shulman *
    Abbey Simon
    Ruth Slenczynska *
    Giampaolo Stuani *
    Istvan Szekely *
    Roberto Szidon *
    Simon Trpčeski *
    Valerie Tryon
    Vazgen Vartanian
    Earl Wild

    * = download only
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 25-01-20, 14:00.
  • Ein Heldenleben
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    • Apr 2014
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    #2
    Thanks yet again for this sterling work. I have yet to hear the perfect performances of these works. Part of the problem are the internal repetitions - that makes all four in a row a bit of a hard listen ( and an almost impossible play) . I am glad you didn’t write the blurb as I don’t think they stand supreme. For me that would be the Barcarolle , Polonaise-Fantasie and F minor Ballade ..

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    • Stanfordian
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      • Dec 2010
      • 9344

      #3
      Arthur Rubinstein is superb in the Four Scherzi and I also admire Simon Trpčeski (I have the CD not download).

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      • Ein Heldenleben
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        • Apr 2014
        • 7130

        #4
        Agree with you on Rubinstein - I haven’t heard the Simon T. though I have some of his Rachmaninov recordings which are absolutely excellent .
        The only complete set I’ve bought is Pletnev which I really don’t like -far too pulled about tempi Wise . What I’ve heard of Grosvenor I’ve been impressed by. I have a few historic recordings of individual scherzi e.g Rachmaninov, Hoffman of which I am fond. I shall certainly be listening tomorrow....

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        • vinteuil
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          • Nov 2010
          • 13065

          #5
          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
          I shall certainly be listening tomorrow....
          ... tomorrow (18 Jan: ) will be Beethoven Symphony nr 1.

          The Chopin is due the week following (25 Jan: )

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          • Ein Heldenleben
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            • Apr 2014
            • 7130

            #6
            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... tomorrow (18 Jan: ) will be Beethoven Symphony nr 1.

            The Chopin is due the week following (25 Jan: )

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            Thanks! - and I ll be listening tomorrow as well...

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 13065

              #7
              Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
              I am glad you didn’t write the blurb as I don’t think they stand supreme. For me that would be the Barcarolle , Polonaise-Fantasie and F minor Ballade ..
              ... they are not my favourite Chopin works; I don't think Cortot or Michelangeli recorded all four.

              In the set of the 'Real Chopin' from the Chopin Institute (Narodowy Instytut Fryderyka Chopina, NIFC) the works are performed by Dina Yoffe, Janusz Dejniczak, and Kevin Kenner :



              I like the 'historical' performances by Benno Moisewitsch



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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #8
                Opera 31 and 54 are two of my favourite Chopin works. I will listen with considerable interest and hope that, for once, BaL is done well.

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                • Ein Heldenleben
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                  • Apr 2014
                  • 7130

                  #9
                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... they are not my favourite Chopin works; I don't think Cortot or Michelangeli recorded all four.

                  In the set of the 'Real Chopin' from the Chopin Institute (Narodowy Instytut Fryderyka Chopina, NIFC) the works are performed by Dina Yoffe, Janusz Dejniczak, and Kevin Kenner :



                  I like the 'historical' performances by Benno Moisewitsch

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                  I don’t think Perahia has either . Though I love the works My ‘problem’ is the B major folk tune in the B minor and the endless repeats in the E major . Haven’t heard the Moisewitsch ...must do.

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    I haven’t a recording of these. I rather like Ashkenazy in Chopin.
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • Jonathan
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 958

                      #11
                      In my humble opinion, I've not heard one pianist who can do these 4 works justice as a set - they seem to be too different in temprement for one individual to provide an ideal performance. I shall be listening with interest to see if I am wrong!
                      Best regards,
                      Jonathan

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                      • Pulcinella
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                        • Feb 2014
                        • 11239

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                        In my humble opinion, I've not heard one pianist who can do these 4 works justice as a set - they seem to be too different in temprement for one individual to provide an ideal performance. I shall be listening with interest to see if I am wrong!
                        Maybe they need to be played on a well-tempered klavier.

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                        • Bryn
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                          In . . . humble opinion, I've not heard one pianist who can do these 4 works justice as a set - they seem to be too different in temprement for one individual to provide an ideal performance. I shall be listening with interest to see if I am wrong!
                          In your case, Lisztening, surely?

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                          • Ein Heldenleben
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                            • Apr 2014
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                            In my humble opinion, I've not heard one pianist who can do these 4 works justice as a set - they seem to be too different in temprement for one individual to provide an ideal performance. I shall be listening with interest to see if I am wrong!
                            I don’t think they are really playable as a set except in the artificial conditions of the recording studio . I think they wear out the patience of both player and listener ...

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                            • Bryn
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                              • Mar 2007
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                              I don’t think they are really playable as a set except in the artificial conditions of the recording studio . I think they wear out the patience of both player and listener ...

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