BaL 23.11.19 - Haydn: Symphony no. 102

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

No, the one mentioned in the meander from the thread from which the quoted post was drawn. :p
Best of luck creating an oxbow from that meander.

Feldman's For John Cage, mewond'reth?

[Bryn]

Feldman's For John Cage, mewond'reth?

'sright. This time with no car crash to deal with. I wonder of Haydn ever has a coach and horses driven through or past any of his performances?

[Pianorak]

It’s an error as Sarah Walker’s recommended ‘modern instrument’ version was Sir Colin Davis and the KCO, not Harnoncourt.

Many thanks, HD. Faith in SW restored!

Jayne: Love the Harnoncourt Brahms symphonies - and much else besides.

[cloughie]

'sright. This time with no car crash to deal with. I wonder of Haydn ever has a coach and horses driven through or past any of his performances?

A good reason to write the Hornsignal!

[HighlandDougie]

But alas, for some of us, we are just allergic to Harnoncourt, even if we're not quite sure why. Is it too calculated, unspontaneous, every note thought through? Possibly, but then I like Michelangeli, of whom the same could be said.....

And of many others - HvK anyone? I think that describing Harnoncourt's interpretations as, "sludge", (defined as, "thick, soft, wet mud or a substance that looks like it") is, as they say here in France, "une bêtise". One might not like his approach - but sludge? No, never. I cite as my case against such a frankly silly description his swansong: the recordings of Beethoven 4 & 5 with the VCM. Occasionally controversial but full of life and a love of the music. I'm strongly tempted to think of music and of conductors against whom the insult, "sludge", might be levelled - ooh, all those worthy but dull symphonies dutifully released by Lyrita and Daniel Barenboim's later Bruckner symphony recordings. But it's probably the second glass of wine talking.

[cloughie]

And of many others - HvK anyone? I think that describing Harnoncourt's interpretations as, "sludge", (defined as, "thick, soft, wet mud or a substance that looks like it") is, as they say here in France, "une bêtise". One might not like his approach - but sludge? No, never. I cite as my case against such a frankly silly description his swansong: the recordings of Beethoven 4 & 5 with the VCM. Occasionally controversial but full of life and a love of the music. I'm strongly tempted to think of music and of conductors against whom the insult, "sludge", might be levelled - ooh, all those worthy but dull symphonies dutifully released by Lyrita and Daniel Barenboim's later Bruckner symphony recordings. But it's probably the second glass of wine talking.

Vaclav Neumann rarely lights my candle!

[jayne lee wilson]

But alas, for some of us, we are just allergic to Harnoncourt, even if we're not quite sure why. Is it too calculated, unspontaneous, every note thought through? Possibly, but then I like Michelangeli, of whom the same could be said.....

One last try?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendelssohn-Schubert-Schumann-Symph-Felix/dp/B000000SN5/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1574965485&sr=1-15

Despite my very strong preference for CO/HIPPs recordings of Schumann/Schubert, I still cite this as one of the all-time great recordings of either....

[cloughie]

One last try?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendelssohn-Schubert-Schumann-Symph-Felix/dp/B000000SN5/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1574965485&sr=1-15

Despite my very strong preference for CO/HIPPs recordings of Schumann/Schubert, I still cite this as one of the all-time great recordings of either....

Looks like this thread has strayed away from Haydn again. Perhaps we need another diversionary supp thread: Conductors we don’t rate or do we?

Is the Schumann 1841 or 1851?

[silvestrione]

One last try?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendelssohn-Schubert-Schumann-Symph-Felix/dp/B000000SN5/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1574965485&sr=1-15

Despite my very strong preference for CO/HIPPs recordings of Schumann/Schubert, I still cite this as one of the all-time great recordings of either....

OK, I've ordered a used copy! After all, I've followed up on many of your recommendations, and only been disappointed once (well, one and a half times!).

[MickyD]

I like the fact that Goodman employs the fortepiano in his recording.

He was following Hogwood, who did the same about ten years earlier in his four recordings of London Symphonies 94, 96, 100 and 104, and even went on to employ it in his early Beethoven recordings. As Sarah Walker said, what a pity he never got round to doing the other London symphonies - I love his treatment of those he did.

[gurnemanz]

Grateful for above comments on Goodman/Haydn which nudged me towards the only CD I have with that combination. It must have been an early purchase in that medium - Symphonies 93, 94, 95. It states: "recorded with generous assistance of SEEBOARD", the latter long defunct but Hyperion still thriving. Listened this afternoon with great pleasure, having not played it for ages. He goes really pianissimo just before the "surprise". I will get around to listening to their 102.

As for Harnoncourt and sludge. I've only seen him once so can't really generalise, but his Beethoven Missa Solemnis at the Barbican in 2012 would not confirm that assessment. Aged 82, he turned in a profoundly moving and beautifully radiant rendition of this stupendous work, along with Concertgebouw Amsterdam, Netherlands Radio Choir and excellent, well-balanced soloists placed behind the orchestra - Marlis Petersen, Elisabeth Kulman, Werner Güra and Gerald Finley. At the end he was presented with the Royal Philharmonic Society’s Gold Medal and made a short speech. Not an occasion I would have wanted to miss.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I like the fact that Goodman employs the fortepiano in his recording.

Even though there isn't one in the score. Haydn often directed from the violin - a much better idea, as the violin IS in the score.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I wonder of Haydn ever has a coach and horses driven through or past any of his performances?

Does a chandelier count?

[Bryn]

Does a chandelier count?

I reckon so. Good job the audience crowded forward to watch him directing from the 'fortepiano', eh?

[Barbirollians]

I reckon so. Good job the audience crowded forward to watch him directing from the 'fortepiano', eh?

Harnoncourt - a mixed bag for me not a baroque favourite and I disliked his feted Beethoven cycle . Yet his Missa Solemnus is outstanding and he is surely one of the greatest Schumann conductors.