BaL 5.10.19 - Strauss: Ein Heldenleben

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  • silvestrione
    Full Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 1725

    #16
    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
    Almost a history of recorded music. I began with CSO/Reiner, one of the very first stereo recordings, came through RACO/Haitink, through various HvKs (less favoured subjectively, despite Japanese transfers)... then the sui generis Kempe, and on to the BPO/Rattle...
    Mengelberg a case apart too.
    On past form (Bruckner 3, Mozart 38, Brahms D Minor Concerto....) TS should do a good job here...

    Torn about the work itself though....
    Great start, very moving final sections and ending, but in between...? I was never convinced by the love scene, or those critics....all a bit too self-promotingly Hollywood-Stereotypical to me....

    I so want to love it, but.....
    Exactly my feeling. Though the earlier of the two live Testament HvK recordings from London did stay on my shelves (and get played!) for a while...

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    • Petrushka
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12323

      #17
      Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
      Kempe , Beecham , Barbirolli( studio and live) and Previn here .

      Barbirolli wins at the Proms despite the thrills and spills.

      Isn't there a DVD of Kempe somewhere ?
      The live Barbirolli is from an LSO concert given almost exactly 50 years ago, on September 28 1969, at the RFH, so not a Prom.

      The Kempe DVD was a Prom, given on August 28 1974, and available on ICA Classics.
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • pastoralguy
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7808

        #18
        The notorious solo violin part is the orchestral leader's Monopoly equivalent of 'Do not pass Go - Do not collect £200!'

        If you can't play the violin solo convincingly then don't bother applying! Even today, it's what separates the men from the boys. My own experience was playing no.2 first violin where I had to learn the solo part in case the leader took ill, was arrested or exploded. In the event, none of the above happened but I practiced hard in case I was called on.

        A wonderful piece, imho. The climax of the battle scene where the horns are honking fit to bust always makes me tear up!

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        • Richard Tarleton

          #19
          I have a soft spot for the Testament CD of the HvK/BPO performance on 16 May 1972 at the RFH - I failed to get a ticket, it was sold out, but listened on my Hacker radio. Nice pic of Michel Schwalbé (and the no.2 first violin ) on the back of the booklet. Were you at that concert Pet? They were in town for 2 nights, the other concert was Mozart and Stravinsky. I've also got the 1974 EMI HvK, Thielemann, Kempe.....

          Another plea for your list Alpie - did Rattle/CBSO record it? I heard them give a stonking performance in Cardiff back in the 1990s.

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          • Petrushka
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12323

            #20
            Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
            I have a soft spot for the Testament CD of the HvK/BPO performance on 16 May 1972 at the RFH - I failed to get a ticket, it was sold out, but listened on my Hacker radio. Nice pic of Michel Schwalbé (and the no.2 first violin ) on the back of the booklet. Were you at that concert Pet? They were in town for 2 nights, the other concert was Mozart and Stravinsky. I've also got the 1974 EMI HvK, Thielemann, Kempe.....

            Another plea for your list Alpie - did Rattle/CBSO record it? I heard them give a stonking performance in Cardiff back in the 1990s.
            Sadly not, Richard. I was only 18 and still at college! However, I did listen to it live on R3 and remember it well. As a repeat of your own story, I tried and failed to get a ticket for the 1985 Heldenleben.
            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20575

              #21
              List removed from deep freeze and added to ardcarp's OP.

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              • Petrushka
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12323

                #22
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                List removed from deep freeze and added to ardcarp's OP.
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  List removed from deep freeze and added to ardcarp's OP.

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                  • mikealdren
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1205

                    #24
                    Interesting how many people have recorded it 2 or 3 times, not just HvK this time.

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      List removed from deep freeze and added to ardcarp's OP.
                      Phew. Thanks Alpie.

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                      • BBMmk2
                        Late Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20908

                        #26
                        Will we get any music played?
                        Don’t cry for me
                        I go where music was born

                        J S Bach 1685-1750

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                        • Zucchini
                          Guest
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 917

                          #27
                          Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                          Will we get any music played?
                          Hope not

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                          • gurnemanz
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7411

                            #28
                            We did a Summer BaL on Heldenleben a few years ago, instigated by Barbirollians.

                            Both CDs I have are Dresden Staatskapelle - Kempe, Blomstedt (the latter from Denon now seemingly deleted and not on list).

                            Doubts have been expressed about Tom Service. I usually find him worth listening to and will look forward to what he has to say.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20575

                              #29
                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post

                              Doubts have been expressed about Tom Service. I usually find him worth listening to and will look forward to what he has to say.
                              That's fair comment. He's very knowledgeable, though I would question his style of delivery and assumptions.

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                              • ardcarp
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11102

                                #30
                                I always liken him to someone trying to enthuse a sixth-form General Studies class. I don't doubt his knowledge and expertise, but to some extent a Radio 3 Record Review audience is self-selecting, so we don't need Music 'sold' to us. We've already bought it. Maybe, come next Saturday, we'll all be surprised by a calmer persona and a well-considered review.

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