BaL 18.02.12 - Bach Goldberg Variations

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  • Beef Oven!
    Ex-member
    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    Glenn Gould 1955 and the digital 1981 for me. Got a fine Jeno Jando on Naxos, as well.

    I have the Deutsche Grammophon Mahan Esfahani on order too.

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    • ardcarp
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11102

      I've not heard Egarr's Goldbergs, but I find that in general he applies too much freedom of rhythm...one could call it rubato...to his solo playing.
      For a piano version, it's got to be Angela Hewitt for me.

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      • Thropplenoggin
        Full Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 1587

        Jeremy Denk.
        It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
          Jeremy Denk.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 10962

            Oh dear: perhaps I need to change my forum name to Goldberg!
            I have discovered 10 versions on various shelves.

            Maggie Cole
            Glenn Gould 1955
            Glenn Gould 1981
            Pierre Hantai
            Angela Hewitt
            Freddy Kempf (BBC Music Magazine)
            Tatiana Nikolayeva
            Murray Perahia
            Rosalyn Tureck
            Alexis Weissenberg

            Time for some weeding out or comparative listening, I guess.
            Predominantly piano versions, as you can see.

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            • DracoM
              Host
              • Mar 2007
              • 12976

              So one post apart from the OP actually mentions Kirkpatrick, nobody else does. I really wanted to know from someone expert how suitable Kirpkpatrick's interpretations were seen to be. Am now none the wiser!!

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              • Thropplenoggin
                Full Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 1587

                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                So one post apart from the OP actually mentions Kirkpatrick, nobody else does. I really wanted to know from someone expert how suitable Kirpkpatrick's interpretations were seen to be. Am now none the wiser!!
                Surely you know by now that's how this forum functions!
                It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10962

                  Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                  I've just re-discovered my CD of Ralph Kirkpatrick playing the Goldbergs.

                  Where might the Kirkpatrick reading rate in a survey of the work?
                  Somewhere in the section devoted to harpsichord not piano interpretations?

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                  • silvestrione
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1708

                    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                    So one post apart from the OP actually mentions Kirkpatrick, nobody else does. I really wanted to know from someone expert how suitable Kirpkpatrick's interpretations were seen to be. Am now none the wiser!!
                    Not an expert, I'm afraid, but I learnt the piece from the Kirkpatrick LP, and it did fare well in a BAL years ago, where the reviewer played excerpts from the 'French Overture' variation, and the Quodlibet, loving both, as I did (I don't think I've come across anything since to improve on them). BUT reviewer failed him on: 1) no repeats 2) very unfortunate choice of registration for the left hand in Var. 25, the so-called 'black pearl'. It was a kind of plucked, lute-like, stop with little resonance. Spoilt the effect of that crucial variation, I came to agree.

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                    • DracoM
                      Host
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 12976

                      Most kind. I had wondered. You've helped a lot.

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                      • BBMmk2
                        Late Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20908

                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        Hey Presto!

                        Bach: Goldberg Variations & Canons. Harmonia Mundi: HMU907425/26. Buy download online. Richard Egarr (harpsichord after Ruckers, Antwerp, 1638)


                        Many thanks Pulci! :)

                        I have Murray Perhahia as well but I thought, generally it were harpsichord recordings.
                        Don’t cry for me
                        I go where music was born

                        J S Bach 1685-1750

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          On piano, tonight's 'bleeding chunks' pianist, Jeremy Denk, has already been mentioned. Let's not pass by Christophe Rousset on a 1751 Henri Hemsch harpsichord.

                          Oh, and another pianist not to be overlooked is Evgeni Koroliov, whether on Hänssler Cassic CD, Medici Arts DVD or even YouTube:

                          Last edited by Bryn; 20-09-16, 17:44. Reason: Update

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5752

                            Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
                            Jeremy Denk.
                            I had not heard of him before reading this post - thanks Throps - and am now listening to the second part of his extraordinary musical journey from the Wigmore.

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                            • ardcarp
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11102

                              Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                              So one post apart from the OP actually mentions Kirkpatrick, nobody else does. I really wanted to know from someone expert how suitable Kirpkpatrick's interpretations were seen to be. Am now none the wiser!!

                              Kirkpatrick was probably playing on a rather robust and un-HIPP instrument...of the sort George Malcolm used, and which as a young lad I loved the sound of. Times have moved on and that sort of harpsichord doesn't seem cool right now. Maybe a harpsichord expert will join the fray and tell me I'm talking rubbish???

                              But I just found this:

                              During the 1960s Kirkpatrick made recordings of the complete harpsichord works of Johann Sebastian Bach (Archiv). The instrument he used in these recordings was always one or other of the contemporary harpsichords being made at the time by the firm of JC Neupert of Bamberg. These days such instruments are called "revival" style instruments, their features including 'inauthentic' metal frames and robust, heavy construction.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                                I had not heard of him before reading this post - thanks Throps - and am now listening to the second part of his extraordinary musical journey from the Wigmore.

                                Oh do follow up on him, kb. his Beethoven/Ligeti on disc is also not to be missed. Listening tonight I find myself thinking back to 16th October 1969, also at Wigmore Hall, when John Tilbury performed his "The Sound of Music". Not whole movements on that occasion but "The material for this recital was chosen mainly by sitting at the piano and leafing through my library of piano music. ... ". I was introduced that night to so very much music I went on to investigated more thoroughly. I hope tonight's broadcast of last Saturday's Denk recital might similarly encourage others to delve deeper into the works and composers represented. Thank you Mr. Denk.

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