Interesting stuff Ferny, thanks. I realized that I have the BSO recording that Cloghie references so maybe give that a sin as well sometime this weekend. It’s 90 degrees today and listening to Music in an air conditioned room sounds very appealing.
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The BSO recording is great I don’t know the Paris Conservatoire recording but I think it has a reputation for rather dodgy playing in places.Comment
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Sent me out of curiosity to old programmes. Prom 1970 BBCSO/Boulez must have been the first time I heard the Rite live. Programme included Debussy Nocturnes, Messiaen Et Expecto. I was probably also near the front ... standing.Originally posted by verismissimo View PostComment
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Well - I gladly take back and apologise for my earlier "not that good" comment, having played the recording on YouTube: much, MUCH better than I'd remembered:Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
(not sure about the photo there - perhaps Monteux misheard when his lawyer told him to check every clause before signing his recording contract?)
I wouldn't personally describe it as "great" - the ensemble isn't always ensemble, some infelicitous intonation peppered around, the Timpanist misses a drum at one point, and the Mono sound muffles too much detail - but by 'eck, so much more involvement and power in the performance than in, for one example, Boulez's DG play-through with the CSO (as "involved" as a Cyberman reading the shipping forecast, without any of the excitement).[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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He is holding a pair of Lobsters, which are a common delicacy in Boston; perhaps an after recording session repast? Perh if he really disliked the Rite so much and was being pressured by RCA to make yet another recording of it to capitalize on his unique link with it, he should have been holding crab.Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostWell - I gladly take back and apologise for my earlier "not that good" comment, having played the recording on YouTube: much, MUCH better than I'd remembered:
(not sure about the photo there - perhaps Monteux misheard when his lawyer told him to check every clause before signing his recording contract?)
I wouldn't personally describe it as "great" - the ensemble isn't always ensemble, some infelicitous intonation peppered around, the Timpanist misses a drum at one point, and the Mono sound muffles too much detail - but by 'eck, so much more involvement and power in the performance than in, for one example, Boulez's DG play-through with the CSO (as "involved" as a Cyberman reading the shipping forecast, without any of the excitement).Comment
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Is he? They look like Crabs to me - but you're the doctor, so ...Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
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Good point! I added the details to post #40. My copy is on the same "originals" disk as Karajan's excellent Prokofiev 5:Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostGiven that there are three recordings each by Karajan and Stravinsky, it might be useful to specify which version/s is/are being used for discussion.
The sound (from a 2000 remaster) is very good, though I see there's now a 2017 release in various download formats.Last edited by Mal; 04-07-19, 17:30.Comment
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Originally posted by Mal View Post
- I've only heard that '60s recording a couple of times, many years ago (I know Karajan's '77 studio recording a bit better, but still haven't heard it in years). The only Karajan Rite in my collection is his RFH Live recording on Testament. Must give that a spin soon,
And, my bad - there are, apparently, four, not three separate recordings by the Composer, and by Karajan; a couple of extra "Live" recordings are around (neither of which I have heard).
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Alright - it's been a long day, and I should have checked the details before russian to assume that the '60s Prokofiev recording would be coupled with the '60s Rite. I see now that the Presto site says that it's the '70s re-recording.
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For forumistas who are interested in what others might think - in their own prejudiced way - about recordings of the Rite:
It's written in French (three separate web pages) but the sometimes bizarre English translations make for some amusing reading. If you can't be bothered with the rhetoric, simply look at the scores he awards out of 10. While I seem to have no fewer than 66 different recordings of the work (those damned 2012 boxes being the main culprits) and could no more recommend any one of them over another than fly to the moon, M. Vagne's liking of Ozawa/Chicago SO is one I do share.Comment
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Anyone have the 20 disc, 38 performances, "nothing but rite", Box set?
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Could be...big suckers...we don’t get much shellfish here in the MidwestOriginally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIs he? They look like Crabs to me - but you're the doctor, so ...Comment
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Just finished listening to the Composer led Columbia SO account. I remember hearing that lp about 40 years ago. Decent, but superseded many times overComment
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Stravinsky never recorded it again, and it's the final word we have from him about the piece, which gives it a special status. So perhaps "superseded" is hardly the word, no matter how many later recordings (or interpretations) we might (or might not) prefer.Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
For myself, I can only say that if I could keep just one recording of Le sacre in my collection, it would simply have to be this one.
By definition it has an authenticity the competition lacks, unless we view the work as primarily for hi-fi demo purposes (and annoying the neighbours!)Comment
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