BaL 15.06.19 - Elgar: Violin Sonata in E minor, Op. 82

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  • Mal
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    • Dec 2016
    • 892

    #91
    I didn't think AMcG was all bad, he can sometimes provide an interjection that adds something to the reviewers estimation, or underlines it, as in the first Kennedy extract where AMcG added to DON's enthusiasm by saying, 'major key glow is wonderful... prepared to be rough... it really works!' or 'Little equals Vengerov for lyricism, power and passion'. I think he needs to keep quiet more and *only* make useful interjections, i.e., not 'play the nodding dog', avoid just saying "yes, yes, that's right, that's right...", which spoils the flow, and more importantly, doesn't add anything. This is hard though, as the dialogue format means he can't just produce bon mots every five minutes. AMcG is in a very difficult situation, is there an example where someone has played this kind of role successfully?

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    • Stanfordian
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      • Dec 2010
      • 9332

      #92
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      (But I did so wish AMcG would shut up and stop spoiling the flow)
      Does AMcG not know that talking over someone on the radio means listeners can hear barely anything being said.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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        • Nov 2010
        • 20576

        #93
        Originally posted by Mal View Post
        AMcG is in a very difficult situation, is there an example where someone has played this kind of role successfully?
        In a difficult position? It’s his programme, so he can more or less do what he wants, within reason. Saying nothing for 50 minutes shouldn’t be so difficult.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20576

          #94
          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
          Does AMcG not know that talking over someone on the radio means listeners can hear barely anything being said.

          Perhaps John Humphrys is his mentor.

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          • DracoM
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            • Mar 2007
            • 12995

            #95
            Plus he's making the same assumption - i.e. that HE is more important than the reviewer. Deo Gratias for DON, I say.

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            • MrGongGong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              #96
              Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post

              Doesn't stop my overall admiration for him as a musician and as a human being.
              A great human being
              but a rather lousy fiddle player IMV

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              • verismissimo
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                • Nov 2010
                • 2957

                #97
                The gist of it so far as I can tell is that several boarders have heard Mr Bean's recording, like it a lot, so it must be the best.

                And somewhere in that process, Mr Dunnett, who has reservations about that recording, became a bad guy with poor musical judgement.

                Have I missed something?

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                • Tony Halstead
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1717

                  #98
                  Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
                  The gist of it so far as I can tell is that several boarders have heard Mr Bean's recording, like it a lot, so it must be the best.

                  And somewhere in that process, Mr Dunnett, who has reservations about that recording, became a bad guy with poor musical judgement.

                  Have I missed something?
                  Although I dearly love the Bean/ Parkhouse recording, I have to concede that the 2 most outstanding ones on Saturday were Little/Roscoe and Kennedy/ Pettinger.
                  If asked to choose, I'd go for the Little/ Roscoe.

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                  • pastoralguy
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7823

                    #99
                    Although David Owen Norris was very explicit in pointing out Miss-readings in the piano part, I was surprised he didn't comment on Vengarov's mistake 3 bars after figure 11 in the first movement where he plays a simplified version of what Elgar wrote. He completely misses out the top harmonic and plays a stopped note two octaves below. Most odd for a player of his supreme abilities!

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                    • pastoralguy
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7823

                      I was slightly disappointed that Tasmin Wales-Cohen and Huw Watkins didn't get a mention. I was extremely impressed with their recording.

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                      • Edgy 2
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                        • Jan 2019
                        • 2035

                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Many, many thanks again to Mal for his marvellous resumé in #44.
                        Beats listening to the actual programme every time.
                        “Music is the best means we have of digesting time." — Igor Stravinsky

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20576

                          Regarding taking liberties with the notes, there are one or two errors in the Novello published version, corrected in the Elgar Complete Edition.

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                          • Barbirollians
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11789

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            A great human being
                            but a rather lousy fiddle player IMV
                            He struggled in later years but I suggest the following as a brief corrective to the lousy fiddle player jibe .

                            1947 Beethoven With Furtwangler

                            1943 Brahms with Boult

                            Early 1930s Paganini 1 with Monteux

                            That is leaving aside his most famous recording.

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                            • pastoralguy
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7823

                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              He struggled in later years but I suggest the following as a brief corrective to the lousy fiddle player jibe .

                              1947 Beethoven With Furtwangler

                              1943 Brahms with Boult

                              Early 1930s Paganini 1 with Monteux

                              That is leaving aside his most famous recording.


                              One of my favourite recordings of all time is one from the 1930's where he and his sister play Lekau's Sonatas with a passion and intensity that I've rarely heard on a disc. He was such a special artist but, alas, wasn't short of problems in later life.

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                              • MrGongGong
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                                He struggled in later years but I suggest the following as a brief corrective to the lousy fiddle player jibe .

                                1947 Beethoven With Furtwangler

                                1943 Brahms with Boult

                                Early 1930s Paganini 1 with Monteux

                                That is leaving aside his most famous recording.
                                I'm sure he was a good player when younger
                                but (aside from the other aspects of his personality) why was he so celebrated as a violinist for all of his life ?

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