BaL 15.06.19 - Elgar: Violin Sonata in E minor, Op. 82

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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
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    #76
    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
    With respect who is Roderic Dunnett ?
    Who Dunnett?, indeed.
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • Tony Halstead
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      • Nov 2010
      • 1717

      #77
      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      Who Dunnett?, indeed.

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      • Mal
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        • Dec 2016
        • 892

        #78
        Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
        With respect who is Roderic Dunnett ? A man either with a duff pressing or cloth ears.
        I googled him:



        He seems expert enough to be taken at face value. Anyway, the love for Bean in this thread puts him on my "don't dismiss" list... but only equal fourth place on my "maybe buy" list...

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #79
          Many, many thanks again to Mal for his marvellous resumé in #44.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Mal
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            • Dec 2016
            • 892

            #80
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Who Dunnett?, indeed.
            A: Roderic Dunnett.
            B: Roderick Who?
            A: Not Roderick Who, Roderick Dunnett!
            B: Which Roderick?
            A: He's a music reviewer, not a witch.
            B: Who had bad reviews by him?
            A: Hugh Bean had.
            B: Yes, I know, given the state of the music industry, I'm always being had; but stop changing the subject, what's Roderick's surname?
            A: Cloth ears!
            B: Roderick Clothears? Wasn't he at Eton?
            A: He was sent to Coventry.
            B: Well he should write kinder reviews...

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            • verismissimo
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              • Nov 2010
              • 2957

              #81
              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              … Wasn't he at Eton?
              ...
              Uppingham!

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              • Mal
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                • Dec 2016
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                #82
                Originally posted by verismissimo View Post
                Uppingham!
                Preceded by a prep school: "There is a dearth of info about about Carn Breans (as they were called) on the web, and this possibly needs to be corrected..." Love the "possibly", .

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                • ardcarp
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11102

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Goon525 View Post
                  Not knowing the work at all, I’ve just listened to Nige, and am astonished by just how wonderful and sensitive his violin playing is. I know we’re not short of top class violinists at the moment, but he could surely have been one of them, had he made different life decisions. Peter Pettinger is very much willing to play second, er, fiddle, but this is a very successful recording, with sufficient space around the instruments to give some idea of the Bloomsbury church acoustic.
                  'Nige', regardless of his life-decisions (good for him) is an amazing player. I've never heard anyone surpass his RVW Lark Ascending for instance (Kennedy/Rattle,CBSO). In yesterday's BAL, I sometimes felt that the balance between piano/violin was a tad tilted towards the piano in the 'winning' version...but then we only heard snippets, and I'm sure hawk-eared DON would have mentioned it had this been a big problem.

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20576

                    #84
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Many, many thanks again to Mal for his marvellous resumé in #44.

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                    • gurnemanz
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #85
                      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                      'Nige', regardless of his life-decisions (good for him) is an amazing player. I've never heard anyone surpass his RVW Lark Ascending for instance (Kennedy/Rattle,CBSO). In yesterday's BAL, I sometimes felt that the balance between piano/violin was a tad tilted towards the piano in the 'winning' version...but then we only heard snippets, and I'm sure hawk-eared DON would have mentioned it had this been a big problem.
                      And of course the above-discussed Hugh Bean also gave us a fine Lark with Boult and the New Philharmonia.

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                      • Dave2002
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 18052

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        Does anyone know why this was? Physical problems? Anxiety?
                        I believe arthritis might have played a part. Perhaps also the lack of really good technical training earlier on, which has been mentioned, was also a factor. I heard him twice live. Once at a distance, from outside the building, when he was rehearsing Beethoven's violin concerto. Sounded OK. The other occasion was when he played two concertos - Mendelssohn - very slow and not really very good, followed by Elgar's which was sublime.

                        Apart from the "issues" mentioned, perhaps he just also had "off" days, or "off" pieces, like the rest of us.

                        Doesn't stop my overall admiration for him as a musician and as a human being.

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                        • Master Jacques
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                          • Feb 2012
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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                          With respect who is Roderic Dunnett ? A man either with a duff pressing or cloth ears.
                          Roderic Dunnett
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                          • Goon525
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                            • Feb 2014
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                            #88
                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            'Nige', regardless of his life-decisions (good for him) is an amazing player. I've never heard anyone surpass his RVW Lark Ascending for instance (Kennedy/Rattle,CBSO). In yesterday's BAL, I sometimes felt that the balance between piano/violin was a tad tilted towards the piano in the 'winning' version...but then we only heard snippets, and I'm sure hawk-eared DON would have mentioned it had this been a big problem.
                            I didn’t feel that the balance was tilted towards the piano. Seemed about right to me.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26576

                              #89
                              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                              They can put DON on at least once a month for me. I learn more from him in 5 minutes than I do from many others in half an hour. And he does it in ways that actually work, eg comparing different performances of the same passage, flagging elements up before playing the excerpt, and also a good mix of his forensic technical approach with some nice descriptive language. All on top of trying to take us into the composers mindset.
                              Top stuff.
                              (But I did so wish AMcG would shut up and stop spoiling the flow)
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • Tony Halstead
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                (But I did so wish AMcG would shut up and stop spoiling the flow)
                                Absolutely agreed!

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