BaL 4.05.19 - Beethoven: Piano Trios Op. 1

[edashtav]

I suspect that as A McG has ‘lost’ a half hour of his programme to more important things they are compelled to make up his contracted time by superimposing him onto the BAL section. I think A McG is a good presenter, just not in the BAL section.

[Keraulophone]

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.

Rem acu tetigisti.



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[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Rem acu tetigisti.

The nail in this case being that in the coffin of Radio 3.

I have, indeed, changed with the times - as the Beeb no longer provides the quality and service it had led me to expect when I was younger, these days I do not listen to R3 very often (and practically never Live). Change, indeed.

Basta! The sun is out - for the first time in over a fortnight I feel well enough to go out - I'm going to pop into Leeds to have a look at the Leonardo drawings. It's going to be a good day.

[DracoM]

I suspect that as A McG has ‘lost’ a half hour of his programme to more important things they are compelled to make up his contracted time by superimposing him onto the BAL section. I think A McG is a good presenter, just not in the BAL section.

Reluctantly, I think you may be on to something.
How sad for music, the young / new listener, the composer in question?
How good for someone's amour-propre and possibly bank balance.

[edashtav]

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.

Are you ready to script a BAL on Haydn's Symphony no. 64 for us, Sidney?

[visualnickmos]

Record Review was how - in mid-teens - I became fascinated that a piece I thought I knew could be so differently and revealingly performed.
To do that, IMO you need a steady, single voice with an unfolding series of statements / illustrations / comparisons. You do NOT want a semi-scripted twofer that can veer off course and lose the thread, and get threatened by competing voices.

Draco,
That is exactly my experience, too. Any teen tuning in today would not have given it house (bedroom) space.
Your listing of requirements for a successful BaL; perfect, and your 'NOT' wants - again perfect.

Surely the Radio 3 programme-makers, or whatever, can see the failings of 'twofers' to deliver. Then again, they probably can't....

[richardfinegold]

Didn’t Haydn try to get Beethoven to suppress Op. 1/3 because he didn’t understand it, and he thought that Beethoven might be laughed out of Vienna, or something like that?

[Mal]

The controller of Radio 3, Alan Davey, was confronted about these failings in 2015. I don't think he considers them failings, so I can't see things changing.

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[LeMartinPecheur]

Didn’t Haydn try to get Beethoven to suppress Op. 1/3 because he didn’t understand it, and he thought that Beethoven might be laughed out of Vienna, or something like that?

Something of the sort was said on the programme, with a hint that he might just have been getting worried that LvB was going to prove too much of a competitor if he started publishing such works.

Doesn't sound like the Papa Haydn that we all know and love, as of course did Mozart: are there any solid facts about this??

[Bryn]

Something of the sort was said on the programme, with a hint that he might just have been getting worried that LvB was going to prove too much of a competitor if he started publishing such works.

Doesn't sound like the Papa Haydn that we all know and love, as of course did Mozart: are there any solid facts about this??

from https://www.analekta.com/en/albums/g...-1-nos-1-et-3/:

Today the final trio of Opus 1 stupefies in comparison with the first two. After the premiere of this work, according to Ries, “Haydn advised Beethoven not to publish it. This greatly surprised Beethoven, since he considered this trio to be the best of the three, and also the one that produces the greatest effect.” Haydn’s remarks greatly vexed Beethoven. Nonetheless, as Haydn would later confide to Ries, it was not that he found this third trio less worthy, but rather overly difficult for the amateur musicians for whom this genre of work had until then been intended. He would later acknowledge his error frankly, adding that, “he would never have imagined that this trio could be so quickly, so easily understood, and so well received by the public.”

[teamsaint]

Draco,
That is exactly my experience, too. Any teen tuning in today would not have given it house (bedroom) space.
Your listing of requirements for a successful BaL; perfect, and your 'NOT' wants - again perfect.

Surely the Radio 3 programme-makers, or whatever, can see the failings of 'twofers' to deliver. Then again, they probably can't....

None of this is really about attracting teen or 20 something , or diverse audiences. It is about being seen to be trying to do that.

Actually getting a younger audience simply isn't going to happen by tweaking BaL or record review, in our media rich world.

It might just start to happen by building on events and brands that are recognisable, starting with the Proms, and perhaps creative use of celebrity, most likely those from non classical worlds crossing over into R3 programming.

[richardfinegold]

None of this is really about attracting teen or 20 something , or diverse audiences. It is about being seen to be trying to do that.

Actually getting a younger audience simply isn't going to happen by tweaking BaL or record review, in our media rich world.

It might just start to happen by building on events and brands that are recognisable, starting with the Proms, and perhaps creative use of celebrity, most likely those from non classical worlds crossing over into R3 programming.

The Gramophone has a feature where they have 2 reviewers look at a classic recording of several decades vintage. I particularly like the ones where the reviewers are of different generations and therefore tend to have different perspectives.
Perhaps this works better in print than live radio, and also it helps that the focus is one just one recording

[french frank]

The controller of Radio 3, Alan Davey, was confronted about these failings in 2015. I don't think he considers them failings, so I can't see things changing.

Good find

"Our presenters all know their stuff …" An increasing number don't know their stuff.

[doversoul1]

Good find

"Our presenters all know their stuff …" An increasing number don't know their stuff.

Maybe his their stuff is different stuff from our their stuff.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Hasn’t anyone ever told you? The BBC is NEVER wrong.