BaL 6.04.19 - Mahler: Symphony no. 4 in G

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    BaL 6.04.19 - Mahler: Symphony no. 4 in G

    09.30
    Building a Library: Nicholas Baragwanath listens to and compares some of the available recordings of Mahler’s 4th Symphony.
    Mahler wrote his 4th Symphony on the very cusp of the Twentieth Century and it was premiered in Munich on 25th November 1901. Since Mahler’s death, his 4th Symphony has come to be recognised as one of his most ‘classical’ and approachable of his symphonic works, although it was considered to be a sacrilegious modernist work at the time of its premiere. It completes the tetralogy of his first four symphonies, his ‘Wunderhorn’ symphonies, so called because they each incorporated music from his orchestral Wunderhorn songs. In the case of the Fourth Symphony, it is the disquieting song ‘Das himmlische leben’ that permeates the entire work and then comes to the fore when solo soprano joins forces with the orchestra for the final movement.
    Mahler’s 4th Symphony is not scored for a very large orchestra and includes neither trombones nor tuba. In it, Mahler also makes wonderful use of ‘Klangfarben’, voices emerging from one another within the orchestra.

    Available versions:-

    Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Renée Fleming, Claudio Abbado
    Gustav Mahler Youth Orchestra, Juliane Banse, Claudio Abbado (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Lucerne Festival Orchestra, Magdalena Kofiená, Claudio Abbado (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Wiener Philharmoniker,Frederica von Stade, Claudio Abbado
    Utah Symphony Orchestra, Netania Davrath, Maurice Abravanel
    Netherlands Philharmonic Orchestra, Elizabeth Watts, Marc Albrecht (SACD)
    Sydney Symphony, Emma Matthews, Vladimir Ashkenazy *
    Concertgebouw Orchestra, Helmut Wittek, Leonard Bernstein
    New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Reri Grist, Leonard Bernstein (DVD)
    Wiener Philharmoniker, Edith Mathis, Leonard Bernstein
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Margaret Ritchie, Eduard van Beinum
    NHK Symphony Orchestra, Akiko Nakajima, Herbert Blomstedt
    Cleveland Orchestra, Juliane Banse, Pierre Boulez
    Manchester Camerata, Kate Royal, Douglas Boyd *
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Barbara Bonney, Riccardo Chailly
    Gewandhaus Orchestra Leipzig, Christina Landshamer, Riccardo Chailly(DVD/Blu-ray)
    Orchestre Regional de Basse-Normandie, Zoe Nicolaidou, Jean Deroyer *
    Cleveland Orchestra, Dawn Upshaw, Christoph von Dohnanyi *
    London Symphony Orchestra, Harold Farberman
    Stuttgart Philharmonic Orchestra, Jeannette Wernecke, Gabriel Feltz
    Düsseldorfer Symphoniker, Hanna-Elisabeth Müller, Adam Fischer
    Budapest Festival Orchestra, Miah Persson, Iván Fischer (SACD)
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Miah Persson, Iván Fischer (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Julia Kleiter, Daniele Gatti (SACD)
    London Symphony Orchestra, Laura Claycomb Valery Gergiev (SACD)
    Münchner Philharmoniker, Genia Kühmeier, Valery Gergiev
    World Orchestra for Peace, Camilla Tilling, Valery Gergiev (DVD/Blu-ray)
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg, Christine Whittlesey, Michael Gielen *
    Orchestre Philharmonique du Luxembourg, Miah Persson, Gustavo Gimeno (SACD)
    Gruppo Montebello, Lies Vandewege, Henk Guittart
    Netherlands Philharmonic Orchestra, Alexandra Coku Hartmut Haenchen
    Berliner Philharmoniker, Sylvia McNair, Bernard Haitink
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Maria Ewing, Bernard Haitink (DVD/Blu-ray))
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Roberta Alexander, Bernard Haitink
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Elly Ameling, Bernard Haitink
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Christine Schäfer, Bernard Haitink (SACD)
    Mahler Chamber Orchestra, Dorothea Röshchmann, Daniel Harding *
    Kalamazoo Symphony Orchestra, Andriana Chuchman, Raymond Harvey *
    Mythen Ensemble, Graziella Contratto, Rachel Harnisch,
    Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Sunhae Im, Manfred Honeck
    London Philharmonic Orchestra, Dame Margaret Price, Jascha Horenstein
    Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra, Miwako Handa, Eliahu Inbal *
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Dorothea Röschmann, Mariss Jansons (SACD)
    Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra, Paavo Jarvi
    Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra, Genia Kühmeier, Paavo Järvi (DVD/Blu-ray)
    Berliner Philharmoniker, Edith Mathis, Herbert von Karajan
    Joan Alexander, BBC Symphony Orchestra, Rudolf Kempe
    Hilversum Radio Orchestra, Corry Bijster, Paul van Kempen *
    Orchestre des Champs-Elysées, Rosemary Joshua, Philippe Herreweghe
    Cologne Radio Symphony Orchestra, Elfride Trötschel, Otto Klemperer
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Otto Klemperer
    Wiener Symphoniker, Teresa Stich-Randall, Otto Klemperer
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Emmy Loose, Paul Kletzki *
    Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra, Galina Pisarenko, Kirill Kondrashin
    Symphonie-Orchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Elsie Morison, Rafael Kubelik
    Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, Frederica von Stade, Yoel Levi
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Judith Blegen, James Levine (SACD)
    Dallas Symphony Orchestra, Heidi Grant Murphy Andrew Litton
    Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Ann Murray, Andrew Litton *
    MDR Symphony Orchestra, Sandra Trattnigg, Fabio Luisi
    New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Heidi Grant Murphy, Lorin Maazel *
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Sarah Fox, Lorin Maazel
    Wiener Philharmoniker,Kathleen Battle, Lorin Maazel
    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Michaela Kaune, Zdenek Macal (SACD)
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Sarah Fox, Sir Charles Mackerras
    Het Gelders Orkest, Lisa Larsson, Antonello Manacorda (SACD)
    RCS Chamber Ensemble, Heather Jamieson, Peter Manning
    Radio-Sinfonieorchester Stuttgart des SWR, Mitsuko Shirai, Sir Neville Marriner
    Israel Philharmonic Orchestra,Barbara Hendricks, Zubin Mehta
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Jo Vincent, Willem Mengelberg *
    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Vaclav Neumann
    Orchestre Métropolitain du Grand Montréal (OM), Karina Gauvin, Yannick Nézet-Séguin
    Stuttgart Radio Symphony Orchestra, Roger Norrington
    Bamberg Symphony Orchestra, Mojca Erdmann,Jonathan Nott (SACD)
    Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra, Galina Vishnevskaya, David Oistrakh
    The Hague Philharmonic Orchestra, Teresa Stich-Randall, Willem van Otterloo *
    Boston Symphony Orchestra, Kiri Te Kanawa, Seiji Ozawa
    Royal Academy of Music Ensemble, Sonia Grane, Trevor Pinnock (SACD)
    Vienna Symphony Orchestra, Sena Jurinac, Karl Rankl
    City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Amanda Roocroft, Sir Simon Rattle
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Lisa Della Casa, Fritz Reiner
    Südwestfunk SinfonieOrchester, Eva Maria Rogner, Hans Rosbaud
    Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra, Barbara Hendriks, Esa-Pekka Salonen
    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, Maria Tauberova, Karel Sejna
    USSR TV and Radio Orchestra, T. Sterling, Yuri Simonov
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Edita Gruberova, Giuseppe Sinopoli
    Smithsonian Chamber Players, Santa Fe Pro Musica, Christine Brandes , Kenneth Slowik *
    Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Kiri Te Kanawa, Sir Georg Solti
    Gürzenich-Orchester Köln, Christiane Oelze, Markus Stenz (SACD)
    Cleveland Orchestra, Judith Raskin, George Szell
    Sofia Philharmonic Orchestra, Lyudmila Hadzhieva, Emil Tabakov
    London Philharmonic Orchestra, Lucia Popp, Klaus Tennstedt
    South West German Radio Symphony Orchestra, Eva Csapo, Klaus Tennstedt
    San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, Laura Claycomb, Michael Tilson Thomas (SACD)
    Thomas Christian Ensemble, Christiane Oelze (soprano)
    Czech Radio Symphony Orchestra, Karolina Berkova, Vladimir Valek
    Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra, Esther Heideman, Hans Vonk
    San Francisco Symphony, Margaret Price, Edo de Waart *
    New York Philharmonic, Desi Halban, Bruno Walter *
    Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Bruno Walter
    Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Irmgard Seefried, Bruno Walter
    Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra, Lynda Russell, Antoni Wit
    Japan Philharmonic Orchestra, Sara Kobayashi, Kazuki Yamada
    Philharmonia Orchestra, Camilla Tilling, Benjamin Zander
    Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich, Luba Orgonáková, David Zinman


    * download only
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 06-04-19, 14:40.
  • Pulcinella
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    • Feb 2014
    • 10892

    #2

    Tremendous work, as usual, Alpie.

    But....
    (not your fault): reversion? As a verb?

    And the Cleveland/Raskin/Szell is now again available in CD format (so not download only), albeit as part of the jumbo Columbia Szell box (CD75):

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    • LeMartinPecheur
      Full Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 4717

      #3
      Alpie: the Utah Symphony Orchestra/ Maurice Abravanel version does have a soprano, Netania Davrath.
      I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        #4
        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        But....
        (not your fault): reversion? As a verb?
        Who writes this rubbish?

        Like many of you no doubt, I've heard quite a few of these recordings and I would never want to nominate one above all the other, but I will say (a) that recently Gielen is the one that made me sit up and take notice because he obviously sees the piece as part of a continuity rather than as the end of a creative period in Mahler's work, and (b) that the Boulez is ruled out because (as I've mentioned before) of a glaringly missing clarinet entry in the second movement.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20570

          #5
          Originally posted by Pulcinella

          But....
          (not your fault): reversion? As a verb?
          I didn’t see that one. Must amend, even though, as you said, it wasn’t my fault.

          (Edit - is that better?)

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          • pastoralguy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7739

            #6
            For me, Ivan Fischer with the Budapest Festival Orchestra with the incandescent Miah Persson...

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20570

              #7
              Maazel’s Vienna recording is very fine indeed and probably the best in his cycle.

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              • pastoralguy
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7739

                #8
                And not forgetting that scordatura violin in the second movement which involves two instruments, hoping desperately that an over tightened string doesn't break...

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                • visualnickmos
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3609

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  Maazel’s Vienna recording is very fine indeed and probably the best in his cycle.
                  Yes. It is excellent - in fact, I think Maazel's Mahler set is impressive throughout.

                  A slight confession; much to my own surprise, I really warm to Bernstein's DG recording of this, (Concertgebouw) with the 'boy soprano' It actually works very well.
                  Last edited by visualnickmos; 27-03-19, 23:03. Reason: a PS

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6455

                    #10
                    I always think this symphony cries out for the Concertgebouw Orchestra. Ditto the Seventh.

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Alison View Post
                      I always think this symphony cries out for the Concertgebouw Orchestra. Ditto the Seventh.
                      Absolutely... and if its Amsterdam it must be.....Mengelberg 09/11/1939...

                      Come on now, how do you get past that one?
                      By, yet again, having 2 or 3 or 4 different categories. But after I knew this one....I didn't look much further.
                      overviewfb55cd020f0643f08418183279e63a5fMAHLER Symphony No. 4Recorded in 1939 Total duration: 57:01 Jo Vincent, soprano Concertgebouw Orchestra Conductor: Willem Mengelberg578a9379d1e540bd96d26f03a79628d9review_titlefb55cd020f0643f08418183279e63a5f578a9379d1e540bd96d26f03a79628d9review_quotefb55cd020f0643f08418183279e6


                      2nd Choice: Szell.
                      3rd Choice: According to taste..very good live ones from Mackerras, Köln/Stenz.....Too many!

                      Pet Sounds Dark Horse which won't even make the shortlist: Kondrashin.

                      It all comes down to whether the reviewer has.... The Knowledge...
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 28-03-19, 01:04.

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                      • DublinJimbo
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                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1222

                        #12
                        Szell / Cleveland / Raskin is still hard to beat after all these years. It was my introduction to the 4th and was played again and again and … (especially the glorious slow movement with the sun braking throughb the clouds at the divine climax).

                        Of more recent recordings I'm especially fond of Adam Fischer's contribution to his ongoing Düsseldorf live cycle, with Hanna-Elisabeth Müller the ideally-cast soloist.

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                        • gurnemanz
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7381

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alison View Post
                          I always think this symphony cries out for the Concertgebouw Orchestra. Ditto the Seventh.
                          After buying my first ever CD player in a local hifi shop, I realised with a blinding insight that I also needed something to play on it. Luckily, the shop also sold CDs and my first purchase was Mahler 4th, Haitink/Concertgebouw with Elly Ameling. It might not be a BaL winner but has a special place in my collection for that reason.

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                          • verismissimo
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 2957

                            #14
                            My particular favourites include:

                            Von Stade/VPO/Abbado, Morison/BRSO/Kubelik, M Price/LPO/Horenstein and (with many others here) Raskin/Cleveland/Szell (the one I grew up with).

                            Raskin still seems the most child-like - partly because of her fast, narrow vibrato.

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                            • richardfinegold
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 7654

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DublinJimbo View Post
                              Szell / Cleveland / Raskin is still hard to beat after all these years. It was my introduction to the 4th and was played again and again and … (especially the glorious slow movement with the sun braking throughb the clouds at the divine climax).

                              Of more recent recordings I'm especially fond of Adam Fischer's contribution to his ongoing Düsseldorf live cycle, with Hanna-Elisabeth Müller the ideally-cast soloist.
                              Don’t know about Düsseldorf, but I fully concur with your first paragraph. It was my only recording of the piece for a few decades, although I did enjoy hearing Barbara Hendricks in the Solti. I recently played the Abbado/Lucerne with Mrs. Rattle and found her a bit to matronly for my taste.

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