BaL 9.06.18 - Schubert: Die schöne Müllerin

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    BaL 9.06.18 - Schubert: Die schöne Müllerin

    9.30
    Building a Library: Schubert's Die schöne Müllerin, by Laura Tunbridge
    Schubert's famous song cycle is based on poems by Wilhelm Müller. Along with his other great song cycle, Winterreise, it is one of the summits of the Lieder repertoire. The recordings are a roll-call of nearly all the great Lieder singers who have made recordings over the years.


    Available versions:-

    Francisco Araiza, Irwin Gage
    Josef Baert, Roumania Stantcheva
    Olaf Bär, Geoffrey Parsons *
    Daniel Behle, Sveinung Bjelland
    Erwin Belakowitsch, Stephan Delaney
    B Berchtold, I Puryshinskaja
    Florian Boesch, Malcolm Martineau
    Ian Bostridge, Graham Johnson
    Ian Bostridge, Mitsuko Uchida
    Pavol Breslik, Amir Katz
    Richard Crooks, Frank la Forge
    Anton Dermota, Hilde Dermota
    Brad Diamond, Dharshini Tambiah
    Richard Edgar-Wilson, Joanna Leach
    Max van Egmond, Penelope Crawford
    Christian Elsner, Ulrich Eisenlohr
    John Elwes, Kenneth Slowik
    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Jörg Demus
    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gerald Moore (Warner mono)
    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gerald Moore (Warner stereo)
    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gerald Moore (DG)
    Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, András Schiff (DVD)
    Nicolai Gedda, Jan Eyro
    Shura Gehrman, Nina Walker
    Christian Gerhaher, Gerold Huber
    James Gilchrist, Anna Tilbrook
    Matthias Goerne, Christoph Eschenbach
    Matthias Goerne, Eric Schneider *
    Werner Güra, Jan Schultsz
    Ernst Haefliger, Jorg Ewald Dahler
    Ernst Haefliger, Erik Werba *
    Uwe Heilmann, James Levine *
    Matthias Helm, Duo Hasard (2 guitars)
    Dietrich Henschel, Fritz Schwinghammer *
    Wolfgang Holzmair, Imogen Cooper *
    Wolfgang Holzmair, Geoffrey Parsons
    Gerhard Hüsch, Margareta Kilpinen
    Jorma Hynninen, Ralf Gothoni
    Konrad Jarnot, Alexander Schmalcz
    Jonas Kaufmann, Helmut Deutsch
    Jan Kobow, Kristian Bezuidenhout
    Maarten Koningsberger, Esther Steenbergen & Olga Franssen (guitars)
    Jochen Kowalski, Markus Hinterhauser
    Karol Kozlowski, Jolanta Pawlik
    Jochen Kupfer, Susanne Giesa
    Lotte Lehmann, Paul Ulanowsky
    Luben Lifschitz, Eric Tappy
    Siegfried Lorenz, Norman Shetler *
    Kevin McMillan, Warren Jones
    Christopher Maltman, Graham Johnson
    Hans Jörg Mammel, Arthur Schoonderwoerd
    Lois Marshall, Greta Kraus *
    Robert Murray, Andrew West
    Franz Naval, August Pilz
    Mark Padmore, Paul Lewis
    Julius Patzak, Walter Klien
    Peter Pears, Benjamin Britten
    Olle Persson, Mats Bergstrom (guitar) *
    Mauro Peter, Helmut Deutsch
    Georg Poplutz, Antje Asendorf & Stefan Hladek (guitars) *
    Andreas Post, Tatjana Dravenau
    Christoph Prégardien, Michael Gees
    Christoph Prégardien, Michael Gees (DVD)
    Christoph Prégardien, Andreas Staier
    Hermann Prey, Leonard Hokanson
    Hermann Prey, Leonard Hokanson (DVD/Blu-ray))
    Josef Protschka, Helmut Deutsch
    Elja Puukko, Risto Lauriala *
    Thomas Quasthoff, Justus Zeyen *
    Klemens Sander, Uta Sander
    Hiroshi Satoi, The Taro Singers (a cappella version) *
    Michael Schade, Malcolm Martineau *
    Markus Schäfer, Tobias Koch
    Andreas Schmidt, Rudolf Jansen
    Maximilian Schmitt, Gerold Huber
    Rudolf Schock, Gerald Moore
    Michael Schopper, Wolfgang Brunner *
    Peter Schreier, Walter Olbertz
    Peter Schreier, András Schiff *
    Peter Schreier, Norman Shetler
    Peder Severin, Dorte Kirkeskov *
    Bo Skovhus, Stefan Vladar
    Nathalie Stutzmann, Inger Södergren
    Krzysztof Szmyt, Katarzyna Jankowska *
    Roman Trekel, Oliver Pohl
    Zeger Vandersteene, Levente Kende
    Georgi Vinogradov
    Per Vollestad, Liv Glaser
    Fritz Wunderlich, Hubert Giesen
    Fritz Wunderlich, Kurt Heinz Stolze


    (* download only)
    Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 09-06-18, 10:01.
  • Richard Tarleton

    #2
    For absolutely no logical reason I prefer this sung by a tenor and Wintereisse by a baritone...perhaps just what I'm used to. The protagonist of this cycle is rather a drip - the miller's daughter was well out of it. I only have two versions - Schreier/Schiff and DFD/Moore. I saw Schreier perform it with Geoffrey Parsons in the QEH in the early 70s - his voice has that plangent quality which captures the self-pitying tone of the guy perfectly. Actually the narrator in Winterreise could do with a course in positive thinking as well.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      When I was a teenager, my uncle lent me his double LP DF-D 1951 set. I listened to it many times. Since then, all other interpretations have been found wanting.

      I suppose I really should get hold of a CD and see whether the magic persists.

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      • LeMartinPecheur
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        • Apr 2007
        • 4717

        #4
        EA: there's (yet?) another Peter Schreier version still available in here. with Stephen Zehr (fp), rec. 1980. Guess the fp may give it novelty value at least.



        I have this box but not played much of it
        Last edited by LeMartinPecheur; 01-06-18, 20:23.
        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20568

          #5
          Is it generally available?

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          • visualnickmos
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3609

            #6
            Oh, no - NOT Schubert lieder! Just too 'Victorian' posh drawing-room after-dinner entertainment, for me!

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            • visualnickmos
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              • Nov 2010
              • 3609

              #7
              The only lieder I have genuine love for is Richard Strauss and Mahler - call me a philistine! Maybe I am….

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              • LeMartinPecheur
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                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                #8
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Is it generally available?
                Yes, it's so listed on 'proper' Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Schubert-Li...eder+on+record 17CDs for just £26.84. Clearly one for visualnickmos to snap up!
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • teamsaint
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25190

                  #9
                  Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                  The only lieder I have genuine love for is Richard Strauss and Mahler - call me a philistine! Maybe I am….
                  Looks like you are more of a fill-a-stein, Mossy.

                  Cheers.

                  ( Looking forward to this, one....)


                  PS, tell me I am wrong, but is there a strong tendency for BaL to give the Baroque/Choral/song stuff to women reviewers, and the big Romantic/Classical/C20 orchestral stuff to men ?
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7638

                    #10
                    I got to know this via Wunderlich on DG. Frankly, I really didn’t care what he was singing about (and tend to agree with Richard T), but that voice! Every time I hear another singer in the work I become impatient wishing it was Fritz...

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                    • LMcD
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                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8396

                      #11
                      Will the top recording from among the many available be declared the Lieder of the Pack?

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                      • verismissimo
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #12
                        In my rather vast collection of Schubert Lieder LPs and CDs, I have only two Miller cycles, neither of them in Alpie's fine list:

                        Julius Patzak with Michael Raucheisen in 1943
                        Ian Partridge with Jennifer Partridge in 1973

                        Time for something more recent, I think.

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                        • mikealdren
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1195

                          #13
                          My one and only recording with Gérard Souzay isn't there either.

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                          • visualnickmos
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3609

                            #14
                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            Looks like you are more of a fill-a-stein, Mossy.Cheers.

                            ( Looking forward to this, one....)


                            PS, tell me I am wrong, but is there a strong tendency for BaL to give the Baroque/Choral/song stuff to women reviewers, and the big Romantic/Classical/C20 orchestral stuff to men ?


                            PS Yes, I think there is such a tendency. Are they (women reviewers) paid less?

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                            • Mal
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                              • Dec 2016
                              • 892

                              #15
                              Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                              Oh, no - NOT Schubert lieder! Just too 'Victorian' posh drawing-room after-dinner entertainment, for me! ... call me a philistine.
                              I also find it difficult to warm to Lieder. But is it really the "posh Victorian" aspect that's the problem? The posh Victorians also had chamber music in the drawing room. Are you going to dismiss Beethoven's string quartets for being too posh and Victorian? And, as the drawing room is unlikely to be the culprit, are you also going to dismiss all orchestral and Operatic music before Mahler?

                              So let's dig deeper, like Schubert digging into the text of a minor poet on one of his off days, and ask, why Lieder *really* inspires that "Oh No!" reaction in many classical music lovers.

                              For me, Lieder are just too simple - a singer and a piano, and the pianist isn't doing much. No Lieder has anything like the variety and complexity and excitement of Beethoven's sonatas! I like lots of things going on—the many strands of a symphony or tone poem, a seething orchestra; the four voices of a string quartet, joining, parting, joining again in an endless web. Texture, density, multiple lines, and an overwhelming, engulfing sound—that’s what I like.

                              Also there's all that German romantic poetry to put up with, usually written by a minor poet. Brooks, millers, maidens, deaths, swans, endless tears, it quickly palls!

                              In summary, I'm not calling you a philistine for dismissing Lieder, I'm calling you someone with a taste for better things, unlike the current producer of BAL & Record Review who seems to be obsessed with Lieder. We had Britten's Winter Words just a couple of weeks ago, now we get a Schubert cycle. One lieder cycle a year is enough, surely!
                              Last edited by Mal; 02-06-18, 13:42.

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