BaL 21.04.18 - Bernstein: Candide

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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #31
    Did we sort out whether it was music theatre or an operetta? I wasn't well yesterday, so didn't hear the whole thing.
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • HighlandDougie
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 3108

      #32
      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
      Did we sort out whether it was music theatre or an operetta? I wasn't well yesterday, so didn't hear the whole thing.
      That may have been one question that Eddie didn't put to Lenny (sorry, I mustn't mock) but, for the (in)estimable Mr Seckerson, it has to be music theatre. At least, that's what I thought I heard him say somewhere towards the end.

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      • Mal
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        • Dec 2016
        • 892

        #33
        Why were they so disparaging about the Bernstein/LSO '89 performance? On the too few clips given of this benchmark performance I thought it sounded wonderful, a lot better than the "cheap opera pit" versions that it was compared to.

        I liked the clip of singers acting vs. actors singing, but disagreed totally with their appreciation of the actors singing. I thought they were going to say, "that was grating, actors can't sing". But, no, they seemed to like their amateur "spirit". Maybe, being experts, they hear the music in their heads, and just look at the acting performance. But an amateur like me actually needs the musical qualities to be there.

        They again disparaged Bernstein '89 for Anderson's performance, and again it sounded wonderful to me, "brilliant in coloratura" as the Penguin guide says. Penguin gave Bernstein/LSO '89 a rosette, Gramophone gave it a gem, and Third Ear called it "the Candide for the ages". So I don't think I'm hearing qualities that aren't there. BAL can keep their "drag act at a tavern" performances, I'll be adding the triumphal and tuneful Bernstein/LSO '89 to my library.
        Last edited by Mal; 22-04-18, 11:28.

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        • Mal
          Full Member
          • Dec 2016
          • 892

          #34
          Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
          Also I noted the comment that the London recordings exist in two versions - one a DVD and one a CD, with the performance on the DVD version being significantly better...
          The Penguin guide gives the CD a rosette, doesn't say if it is the studio or live version, but then praises the studio and live version equally. With both Penguin and BAL involved, one can get very confused; this Cd reviewing world is far from being the best of all possible CD reviewing worlds.
          Last edited by Mal; 22-04-18, 11:46.

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          • Mal
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            • Dec 2016
            • 892

            #35
            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
            I have the one that DG produced, which IIRR, was the one that was done in Concert, in London. Practically everyone including LB had a nasty virus! The show must go on!
            DG seem to have at least two discs out, so I guess we better check for the studio version!

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            • HighlandDougie
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3108

              #36
              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              DG seem to have at least two discs out, so I guess we better check for the studio version!
              I'm sitting here rifling through the recent DG Complete Lenny box which contains:

              CD 26/CD 27 Candide - recorded at Abbey Road Studio on 1 December 1989
              DVD 10 Candide - videotaped at the Barbican Centre on 13 December 1989

              They are both contained in this rather handsome - if not terribly cheap - reissue:



              CD version (cheap) at: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leonard-Ber...dide+bernstein

              DVD (not quite so cheap) at: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leonard-Ber...dide+bernstein

              Hope that makes sense!

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              • Mal
                Full Member
                • Dec 2016
                • 892

                #37
                That CD (cheap) version tempts me, it's the one getting the rosette in Penguin (DG 474 472-2), and the following seems to confirm it is the Abbey road studio version:



                There seem to be some of Lenny's best performances going at bargain prices at the moment. Maybe it's a "come on" for that big box set! I just bought his live Mahler: Symphony No.5 with the Wiener Philharmoniker new for £3.99 (eBay, also Amazon.)

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26575

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  Why were they so disparaging about the Bernstein/LSO '89 performance? On the too few clips given of this benchmark performance I thought it sounded wonderful, a lot better than the "cheap opera pit" versions that it was compared to.
                  ...
                  They again disparaged Bernstein '89 for Anderson's performance, and again it sounded wonderful to me, "brilliant in coloratura" as the Penguin guide says. Penguin gave Bernstein/LSO '89 a rosette, Gramophone gave it a gem, and Third Ear called it "the Candide for the ages". So I don't think I'm hearing qualities that aren't there. BAL can keep their "drag act at a tavern" performances, I'll be adding the triumphal and tuneful Bernstein/LSO '89 to my library.
                  Yes mine's not going anywhere whatever the BAL duo thought. I was at the live performances, and despite any shortcomings, the merits of the set plus the memories make it indispensible for me. And as previously mentioned on this Forum, I happened to have my camera with me when stumbling on a Lenny promotional session that week, so have a few portraits of him which I treasure...



                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Dave2002
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 18049

                    #39
                    1. Was this one reviewed in the BAL - https://www.amazon.co.uk/BERNSTEIN-L...t_sims?ie=UTF8

                    2. How much import duty would there be from the USA, and how easy would it be to play the Blu Ray on kit aimed at the U.K. markets? Maybe the format “issues” are too significant.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26575

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                      1. Was this one reviewed in the BAL - https://www.amazon.co.uk/BERNSTEIN-L...t_sims?ie=UTF8

                      2. How much import duty would there be from the USA, and how easy would it be to play the Blu Ray on kit aimed at the U.K. markets? Maybe the format “issues” are too significant.
                      It wasn't mentioned, I don't think...

                      ..."Region 1 encoding. (This DVD will not play on most DVD players sold in the UK [Region 2]. This item requires a region specific or multi-region DVD player and compatible TV. More about DVD formats)"
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • HighlandDougie
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3108

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        Yes mine's not going anywhere whatever the BAL duo thought. I was at the live performances, and despite any shortcomings, the merits of the set plus the memories make it indispensible for me. And as previously mentioned on this Forum, I happened to have my camera with me when stumbling on a Lenny promotional session that week, so have a few portraits of him which I treasure...



                        Not quite sure how to respond other than to say that I was moved by the honesty of the pics - I wish I could say that he looks content at the idea of a life well-lived but somehow that is not my impression.

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                        • Dave2002
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 18049

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          It wasn't mentioned, I don't think...

                          ..."Region 1 encoding. (This DVD will not play on most DVD players sold in the UK [Region 2]. This item requires a region specific or multi-region DVD player and compatible TV. More about DVD formats)"
                          Given that it’s a Blu Ray it probably won’t play on any DVD player!

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            #43
                            Quite agree with you there Cali!
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • Dave2002
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18049

                              #44
                              Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
                              Not quite sure how to respond other than to say that I was moved by the honesty of the pics - I wish I could say that he looks content at the idea of a life well-lived but somehow that is not my impression.
                              The assumption that many people make that outside appearance reflects inner state may actually be incorrect.

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                              • Lordgeous
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 837

                                #45
                                I missed this and it doesn't appear in the building a library podcasts, as far as I can see. Is it still available online anyone? Thanks.

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