BaL 12.10.19 - Mozart: Serenade no. 10 in B flat “Gran Partita” K361

[Tony Halstead]

... I certainly prefer the 12 plus double bass performances to those with 13 winds (incl. contrabassoon). I hope this edn of Interpretations on Record :sigh emoticon: will have time to discuss...

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Yes, quite so! The score indicates 'pizzicato' in several places... if anybody knows a contrabassoon player who can play pizzicato I will happily invite said player to participate, as and when appropriate and available.

[Maclintick]

Yes, quite so! The score indicates 'pizzicato' in several places... if anybody knows a contrabassoon player who can play pizzicato I will happily invite said player to participate, as and when appropriate and available.

Please don't encourage them...Apropos of the forthcoming BAL, I see, from the venerable CD Review archive that K.361 was last considered in July 2009 and on that occasion Tony Burton's top recommendation was the Linos Ens, which may have been responsible for my purchase. I wasn't disappointed.

[duncan]

Count me as another fan of the OAE soloists and Halstead. To say it's too fast seems to me like criticising a steam for flowing at the wrong speed! Anyone know who were the magnificent 13 soloists? I lost the associated magazine long ago and the CD sleeve has minimal information. I have a friend in the current OAE who would play this but I think 1997 was before their time.

[Pulcinella]

Just chanced upon this previous thread: worth merging somehow?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?18454-Mozart-s-Gran-Partita-K361

[cloughie]

Just chanced upon this previous thread: worth merging somehow?

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...n-Partita-K361

Probably, and it mentions the Stokowski recording favourably!

[Richard Tarleton]

Done!

[Pulcinella]

Done!

But wrong way round, surely?
Don't we really want to keep the forthcoming BaL thread active?
Maybe the dates the threads were started dictate how to merge, though!

PS: Or maybe a title change, even though that would then look a bit odd with Alpie's list not at the beginning!

[Tony Halstead]

Count me as another fan of the OAE soloists and Halstead. To say it's too fast seems to me like criticising a steam for flowing at the wrong speed! Anyone know who were the magnificent 13 soloists? I lost the associated magazine long ago and the CD sleeve has minimal information. I have a friend in the current OAE who would play this but I think 1997 was before their time.

Point taken.. I think (and have thought for 20+ years) that it it's absolutely disgraceful that BBC MM didn't bother to print the names of the 13 wonderful OAE players in the CD booklet. I will find and scan the BBC MM pages and put them on this website a.s.a.p.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

But wrong way round, surely?
Don't we really want to keep the forthcoming BaL thread active?
Maybe the dates the threads were started dictate how to merge, though!

PS: Or maybe a title change, even though that would then look a bit odd with Alpie's list not at the beginning!

Yes. The earlier thread always takes priority. And once you merge threads, it’s almost impossible to reverse the process. But I’ll sort out the quagmire later.

[Dave2002]

In the past I liked Klemperer's version, which can be found in a box set of 8 CDs for around £16 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Symp...1&sr=8-1-fkmr1
* Also available to stream for Prime members.

However, at the time I also liked the version with Jack Brymer - with the London Wind Soloists - which seemed to me to have more life. This is in the Decca Analogue years box, and also available as a rather pricey CD - https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=mozart+...ref=nb_sb_noss - but used copies are available relatively cheaply.

The complete serenades from the London Wind Soloists otherwise only seem to be available as downloads, which is a pity.

I may pick up on the Hogwood version with the Amadeus Winds mentioned above - which sounds as though it might reach places which earlier recordings can't reach and at a very reasonable price. Indeed - I think I'll do that now. I might add in Bruggen's recording too, which is available cheaply as a used CD.

Maybe these encouragements are having an effect on availability - the Hogwood version seems to have gone temporarily out of stock in the last few minutes!

This review of a few versions by Stanley Sadie is quite interesting - https://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/...nd-serenades-2 He suggests that the Klemperer version was starting to "sound its age", and not really to be a front runner now. I checked this out as I wanted to know whether wind or string bass was used in the recording - it seems that the answer is "both"! Presumably they don't play at the same time when pizz is marked - or do they?

I should have the BBC MM version somewhere - must dig it out. Sounds as though it could be the best of the bunch.

[BBMmk2]

I hope I have that recording of the OAE still! although I do like London Winds and Michael Collins.

[gurnemanz]

I have two CD versions so can't offer much in terms of comparative assessment:

Furtwängler/VPO as mentioned and which I also greatly appreciate.

Chamber Orchestra of Europe Wind Soloists (Teldec not ASV) which came with the Warner Classics 16CD Chamber Works box issued in 2006 as part of their Mozart 250 edition. That particular compendium seems to be defunct and the list of recordings above indicates with an asterisk that it is download only but a very good value Teldec Classics 5CD Divertimenti for Wind Instruments compilation seems to be still around. It's an eloquent and finely recorded version of this beautiful work and must be up there with the best available.

[Opinionated Knowall]

I have a very soft spot for ECO/Barenboim, which I bought on LP as a student, so it might be 'first acquaintance syndrome', but it always struck me as so full of life and character. It's not on the list, so maybe nla?

[Bryn]

I have a very soft spot for ECO/Barenboim, which I bought on LP as a student, so it might be 'first acquaintance syndrome', but it always struck me as so full of life and character. It's not on the list, so maybe nla?

Still listed as available, new, from amazon.co.uk, ASIN: B000B668UO

[verismissimo]

Yes, quite so! The score indicates 'pizzicato' in several places... if anybody knows a contrabassoon player who can play pizzicato I will happily invite said player to participate, as and when appropriate and available.

OAE/Halstead arrived: SO GOOD!