BaL 17.02.18 - Haydn: String Quartet in G minor (Op 20 No 3)

[Beef Oven!]

... how could you be??

(Apart from shouting at the wireless, but I don't think that counts... )

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You have no imagination - radio is not for you!

[Barbirollians]

I always think it is a shame the Q . Italiano recorded only a few of the Haydn quartets all of their recordings were outstanding.

[Beef Oven!]

I always think it is a shame the Q . Italiano recorded only a few of the Haydn quartets all of their recordings were outstanding.

Yes, but things have moved on ........

[waldo]

Well, the fashion has changed, certainly...........

[Thropplenoggin]

Yes, but things have moved on ........

Didn't Stephen Johnson choose the Busch Quartet's version of Beethoven's op. 131 not so long ago?

[Beef Oven!]

Well, the fashion has changed, certainly...........

Was it fashion, before?

[Maclintick]

I did actually feel and think at the time that it felt like being in a lesson.Also that some rather elaborate but unilluminating language was used , ( and hand grenades should never be used to describe music ! ) where something more forensic might have filled the air time.

I felt the opposite -- that Helen Wallace's comments were illuminating of an area of the repertoire of which I'm rather more ignorant than I'd like to be, and that her language was never "elaborate" or unnecessarily convoluted -- but concise and to the point, in fact.

[waldo]

Was it fashion, before?

I don't know if we are quite on the same wavelength here, but isn't fashion inescapable? The wheel turns and what was once loved becomes detested........

No progress, in other words. Just change.

[Beef Oven!]

I don't know if we are quite on the same wavelength here, but isn't fashion inescapable? The wheel turns and what was once loved becomes detested........

No progress, in other words. Just change.

I agree. Change. Things move on . Progress. But I'm not being judgemental. When things progress, I don't know if they improve. In fact I'm unconcerned with that question.

[teamsaint]

I felt the opposite -- that Helen Wallace's comments were illuminating of an area of the repertoire of which I'm rather more ignorant than I'd like to be, and that her language was never "elaborate" or unnecessarily convoluted -- but concise and to the point, in fact.

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that her comments were not illuminating overall, just that some of her descriptive language and phrases didn't really add anything , for me,whereas her more analytical comments certainly did illuminate.

[waldo]

I agree. Change. Things move on . Progress. But I'm not being judgemental. When things progress, I don't know if they improve. In fact I'm unconcerned with that question.

I think we agree.......though I take the word "progress" to imply improvement. I could be wrong, of course.........

[Beef Oven!]

I think we agree.......though I take the word "progress" to imply improvement. I could be wrong, of course.........

You're not wrong, the word progress has a secondary meaning, not just the main meaning of moving forward, or onward movement towards a destination.

[visualnickmos]

I think this was a good BaL - mainly in that the various differing qualities were well-illustrated, in such a way as to enable listeners to make their own choices, with validity. For example, I for one, was very much drawn to the Hagen and the London Haydn quartets recordings, in preference to some the period instrument recordings, in which I found a little bit too much show of individual displays of virtuosity, of which I am not totally convinced would have been the 'fashion' at the time.... (now there's a potential hornets' nest!)
Of course, I know I am making huge generalisations, but they are my summarised observations, and we all take away our own unique enlightenments from excellent BaLs, as this one was IMVHO, that is.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I think this was a good BaL - mainly in that the various differing qualities were well-illustrated, in such a way as to enable listeners to make their own choices, with validity.

Yes. This was the programme's strength.

[Maclintick]

I agree. Change. Things move on . Progress

Up to a point, M'Lud -- Things don't always move on beneficially...I have occasionally infuriated superiors who extol the virtues of "change" by opining that change is inevitable, but progress is optional...