BaL 3.02.18 - Beethoven: Piano Sonata no. 30 in E major, Op.109

[mikealdren]

... yes, thank you - so right - we are the winners.

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Very much so, I've got the shortlisted Uchida, Fischer and Lewis versions and all are very fine, I've also got Kempff and Pollini (on LP). Listening again this morning, the Kempff is really rather good if you like his distinctive touch (which I do).

[pastoralguy]

[Pianorak]

Just caught up with this. What did Harriet mean by "Backhaus, Kempff etc fallen by the wayside"? Not good enough or what?
I'm a Backhaus fan and love his beauty of tone as well as interpretation. Was very taken with the brief Myra Hess excerpt and have ordered this 5 CD set https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Just caught up with this. What did Harriet mean by "Backhaus, Kempff etc fallen by the wayside"? Not good enough or what?

I doubt whether she'd even listened to it. It would have been better not to mention the recording at all, rather than toss it aside without good reason.

[mikealdren]

That's a bit unfair, I'm sure she knows their playing well and she may have pre-existing predjudice against them but I'm sure she must have at least considered such major artists. It's the problem of dealing with so many versions and it would have been much worse if (as is so often the case) they had simply not been mentioned and we had been left asking 'what about Kempff/Backhaus etc. etc.'

[LeMartinPecheur]

That's a bit unfair, I'm sure she knows their playing well and she may have pre-existing predjudice against them but I'm sure she must have at least considered such major artists. It's the problem of dealing with so many versions and it would have been much worse if (as is so often the case) they had simply not been mentioned and we had been left asking 'what about Kempff/Backhaus etc. etc.'

The way she said it suggested regret that she hadn't had time to say (and play?) something detailed before eliminating them - not at all a 'toss to one side'.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

But what does "fallen by the wayside" mean?

Possible answers:

1. I lost the CDs on the way to the studio.

2. I've forgotten what they sound like.

3. Anyone who still listens to these recordings is a dinosaur.

[waldo]

But what does "fallen by the wayside" mean?

Possible answers:

1. I lost the CDs on the way to the studio.

2. I've forgotten what they sound like.

3. Anyone who still listens to these recordings is a dinosaur.

There's a running conceit in this programme that each episode is a kind of competition or horse-race. You start out with a large field, then gradually end up with a "winner".

"Fallen by the wayside" is surely an innocent way of saying they have been removed from the running, or "fallen at the last fence" etc. In other words, "I have decided not to consider them any further."

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

There's a running conceit in this programme that each episode is a kind of competition or horse-race. You start out with a large field, then gradually end up with a "winner".

"Fallen by the wayside" is surely an innocent way of saying they have been removed from the running, or "fallen at the last fence" etc. In other words, "I have decided not to consider them any further."

That's how I understood it - and none of Allie's three suggested "possible meanings" coincided with how I perceived the general tone of considered analysis and discussion demonstrated throughout her presentation; especially given her appreciation for Schnabel.

[BBMmk2]

There's a running conceit in this programme that each episode is a kind of competition or horse-race. You start out with a large field, then gradually end up with a "winner".

"Fallen by the wayside" is surely an innocent way of saying they have been removed from the running, or "fallen at the last fence" etc. In other words, "I have decided not to consider them any further."

Strange. I don’t see this work as episodic at all.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... and for Solomon, of course.

But personally, I would have given the time she wasted on the insignificant Guy* to either of Kempff's recordings.

(No, not AMcG - the pianist!)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Strange. I don’t see this work as episodic at all.

I understood Waldo to mean each "episode" of Building a Library, Bbm.

[mikealdren]

... and for Solomon, of course.

But personally, I would have given the time she wasted on the insignificant Guy* to either of Kempff's recordings.

(No, not AMcG - the pianist!)

or indeed ANY of Kempff's recordings, his pre-war recordings have been released recently too. A comparison of Kempff's recordings alone would have been valuable if she had more time.

[BBMmk2]

I understood Waldo to mean each "episode" of Building a Library, Bbm.

Indeed yes, looking at it again! Have to play Emil Gilels account of this soon! One of my favourite pianists.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Have to play Emil Gilels account of this soon! One of my favourite pianists.

Mine, too!