BaL 16.12.17 - Schubert: Piano Sonata no. 21 in B flat D960

[teamsaint]

This really seems the age of the ‘intern’. Every booger seems to have them now

The publishing company that I work for doesn't use interns,and we always pay a wage that is set above minimum wage. We're a small outfit in a very competitive field, where margins are very slim. If we can do it, others can too.

Widespread use of interns is a curse of modern business life, in my opinion.

[silvestrione]

Thanks for congrats. We are used to the yo-to effect. Iain Dowie's bouncebackability may be kicking in.

On subject - perversely - I have ordered Richter, "too slow for repeated listening". I thought I'd take the challenge.

I was amazed there was somebody slower, Christoph Eschenbach. But I suspect he does not take the repeat.

Yes, I have two Richter recordings of the D.960, for very occasional listening!

[Nick Armstrong]

Quite, and in all honesty I can’t for the life of me hear any real difference in either Uchida or Zimerman’s after all this ‘tinkering’...

The Zimerman piano sound was discussed in the subsequent 'critics forum' segment where Natasha Loges chose the disc as one of her recordings of the year. I recollect she said that KZ had had a special piano constructed for the recording (rather than mere 'tinkering') - one which emphasised treble sounds over bass, and was 'half way' between a modern piano and a fortepiano. One of the other critics went on about how he's had to adjust his ears to it.

Sounded very clear and pleasant to me... although I didn't like the rather mannered 'plonks' of the lower notes in the D959 slow movement (outer sections).

I can't remember why DON dismissed the KZ recording - I seem to recall he did give a reason, but haven't been able to find it going back through the programme...

Can anyone remember why he discarded it?

[Richard Tarleton]

I can't remember why DON dismissed the KZ recording - I seem to recall he did give a reason, but haven't been able to find it going back through the programme...

Can anyone remember why he discarded it?

I now can't find it...not where I thought it was. Near the end, I thought. Could they have edited the tape for iPlayer? Quite a brief comment, too considered or something?

[visualnickmos]

Has Radu Lupu featured in the BaL, or in this thread? He rather good 'at' Schubert....

[vinteuil]

Has Radu Lupu featured in the BaL, or in this thread? He rather good 'at' Schubert....

... yes

[visualnickmos]

... yes

... only asking!

With the best will in the world, there is no way I can go back over 336 messages... and I've only managed to dip into the broadcast, so far...

[vinteuil]

... only asking!

With the best will in the world, there is no way I can go back over 336 messages... and I've only managed to dip into the broadcast, so far...

... ok, ok!



If you go to the 'search thread' button at the top of this thread and put in lupu that will bring up the entries referring to him. DON was enthusiastic about him too...


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[visualnickmos]

... ok, ok!



If you go to the 'search thread' button at the top of this thread and put in lupu that will bring up the entries referring to him. DON was enthusiastic about him too...


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Thanks - I'll give it a go...

[HighlandDougie]

Can anyone remember why he discarded it?

That favourite word of a Gramophone critic of yore, "agogic", featured in his dismissal of Zimerman - I can't remember the exact phrase but the implication was that he was lingering ever so slightly too long on certain notes, creating an effect which DON found to be a bit grating. It was, I think, in the discussion of the first movement. I'm in the DON camp here, as I don't really care for the Zimerman CD (a bit like his Debussy Preludes which, on first hearing, you think, "wow" but which reveal more and more mannerisms on repeated hearings which grow more and more tiresome)

[Beef Oven!]

0930
Building a Library - live. David Owen Norris joins Andrew to explore recordings of Schubert's Piano Sonata in B flat D960.
Schubert's last sonata, perhaps his greatest achievement in the form, has a feeling of tranquility and ease - the ease of a composer who is relaxed in his ability to express his ideas and emotions. This sonata was to be Schubert's last, and the flow and majesty of the first movement spring from the hymn-like breadth of the opening theme.

Available versions:

Valery Afanassiev
Géza Anda
Leif Ove Andsnes
Claudio Arrau (download)
Paul Badura-Skoda
Daniel Barenboim DG
Daniel Barenboim Erato
Inon Barnatan
Sebastian Benda
Paul Berkowitz
Malcolm Bilson
Tessa Birnie (download)
Camiel Boomsma
Sodi Braide
Alfred Brendel
Alfred Brendel
Rudolf Buchbinder (download)
Fabrizio Chiovetta
Gabriel Chodos (download)
Imogen Cooper
William Corbett-Jones (download)
Todd Crow (download)
Clifford Curzon
Clifford Curzon
Jörg Ewald Dähler (download)
Massimiliano Damerini
John Damgaard (download)
Dora Deliyska
Marta Deyanova
Shani Diluka
Barry Douglas
Nami Ejiri
Michael Endres
Kemp English
Eduard Erdmann
Christoph Eschenbach
Meira Farkas
Vladimir Feltsman
Sergio Fiorentino (download)
Annie Fischer
Leon Fleisher
Claude Frank
Anthony Goldstone
Richard Goode (download)
Ralf Gothoni (download)
Ingrid Haebler
Andreas Haefliger
Hideyo Harada
Clara Haskil
Myra Hess
Ian Hobson (download)
Vladimir Horowitz (download)
Vladimir Horowitz
Mieczyslaw Horszowski
Stephen Hough
Naoyuki Inoue (download)
Kei Itoh (download)
Jeno Jando
Gilbert Kalish
Miyuji Kaneko (download)
Howard Karp (download)
Cyprien Katsaris
Nina Kavtaradze
Wilhelm Kempff
Evgeny Kissin
Michael Korstick
Stephen Kovacevich (download)
Semion Kruchin
Florian Krumpock (download)
Anton Kuerti
Nikolaus Lahusen
Alicia de Larrocha
Risto Lauriala
Trudelies Leonhardt
George Emmanuel Lazaridis
Adam Laloum (download)
Dejan Lazic
Wolfgang Leibnitz (download)
Elisabeth Leonskaja
David Levine (download)
Paul Lewis
Hans Leygraf (download)
Stefan Litwin
Radu Lupu
Anna Malikova
Alan Marks
Oleg Marshev
Yury Martynov
Benjamin Moser
Tatiana Nikolayeva
Gerhard Oppitz
Frederic d’Oria-Nicolas
Jorge Federico Osorio
Hans Palsson
Denis Pascal
Murray Perahia (download)
Javier Perianes
Alfredo Perl
Maria Perrotta (download)
Joshua Pierce (download)
Maria João Pires
Alain Planés (download)
Maurizio Pollini
Menahem Pressler
Menahem Pressler (DVD)
Andrew Rangell
Sviatoslav Richter
Sviatoslav Richter
Bernard Roberts
Jerome Rose
Peter Rösel (download)
Victor Rosenbaum (download)
Carol Rosenberger
Arthur Rowe
Piotr Salajczyk
András Schiff
András Schiff
Alexander Schimpf
Artur Schnabel
Gilbert Schuchter
Rudolf Serkin
Russell Sherman
Grigory Sokolov (download)
Jouni Somero (download
Martin Stadtfeld
Emmanuel Strosser (download)
Aki Takahashi (download)
Marco Tezza (download)
Hugh Tinney
Fou Ts’ong
Mitsuko Uchida
Christoph Ullrich
Jan Vermeulen
Lars Vogt
Klára Würtz
Zhu Xiao-Mei (download)
Christian Zacharias
Boris Zarankin
Juana Zayas
Krystian Zimerman

Who won?

[teamsaint]

Who won?

Amazon Market place traders.

[Beef Oven!]

Amazon Market place traders.

As usual!

[Nick Armstrong]

Who won?

[Keraulophone]

The Zimerman... sounded very clear and pleasant to me... although I didn't like the rather mannered 'plonks' of the lower notes in the D959 slow movement (outer sections).

Exactly what I thought. Also the strange fp on the first note of the finale et seq. Like HD I was impressed on the first few hearings, but the mannerisms and point-making, which DON referred to, have put me off the more I have listened to it. These are far more significant than the effects of the new keyboard that Z built. Uchida, given a few more hearings, has risen in my estimation (many grades of piano) though not as far as Pires.