BaL 28.10.17 - Dowland: Lachrimæ or Seven Tears

[Richard Tarleton]

Is the Fretwork 'set' a re-jigging?
I have separate Byrd and Dowland releases on the old Virgin Veritas label:

Interesting! The booklet notes are extremely brief and do not explain - but do say "1990 (CD1) and 1989 (CD2)....This compilation 1999...." - but that doesn't account for both CDs being a mixture of Byrd and Dowland in the new set....both your discs appear to be compilations (straining to read the small print on my PC screen )....your Byrd disc does not have the vocal numbers....the thick plottens, as ff would say. Perhaps Marketing had the last word?

[Richard Barrett]

will be fascinated also to hear how Holman and Goebel fare

Goebel's recording is a lot more austere than you might you might expect - there's no dynamic swelling, no extravagant ornamentation, and no lute. I find it quite beautiful; it doesn't sound like anyone else's version or like anything else by this group.

[silvestrione]

I think the Fretwork came out first in 1989 on a disc called 'Night's Black Bird', which was a mix of the Dowland pavans with consort pieces by Byrd (nothing vocal).

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think the Fretwork came out first in 1989 on a disc called 'Night's Black Bird', which was a mix of the Dowland pavans with consort pieces by Byrd (nothing vocal).

- I think that you're right.




... and the companion disc, Goe Nightly Cares:

[silvestrione]

There's also the newish version by Sit Fast, which I would really like to hear:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dowland-Benjamin-Seven-Tears-Silence/dp/B0711K3697

[Richard Barrett]

There's also the newish version by Sit Fast, which I would really like to hear

I'd have to Get Up Fast after track 7 though.

[Richard Tarleton]

There's also the newish version by Sit Fast, which I would really like to hear:

Hmmm, I think I'd take a bit of persuading there.

I love the nightmarish owl (long-eared?) and goshawk on ferney's CD covers

[HighlandDougie]

I agree. Some people seem to have a problem with playing seven slow and otherwise quite similar pieces in sequence. I think it's as good as any way to hear them. I often have my doubts about the Fretwork way of doing things anyway. I recently heard the recording by the Hathor Consort which I found very beautiful indeed. Normally I'd expect Jordi Savall to be my favourite in repertoire like this, but I couldn't get on with his recording, maybe it's because the pitch is too high, it sounds like A440.

Why do I keep reading this as 'Download's Lachrimae'? Anyway, with RB's recommendation and an almost-cheap-as-chips copy available on Amazon.fr and as it's not a work I possess, I've jumped the gun and opted for the Hathor Consort. It probably won't even get a mention.

[Richard Tarleton]

Why do I keep reading this as 'Download's Lachrimae'? Anyway, with RB's recommendation and an almost-cheap-as-chips copy available on Amazon.fr and as it's not a work I possess, I've jumped the gun and opted for the Hathor Consort. It probably won't even get a mention.

For the same reason I kept thinking this thread was about Dowland - either seeing what you want to see, or dyslexia

[Pulcinella]

Interesting! The booklet notes are extremely brief and do not explain - but do say "1990 (CD1) and 1989 (CD2)....This compilation 1999...." - but that doesn't account for both CDs being a mixture of Byrd and Dowland in the new set....both your discs appear to be compilations (straining to read the small print on my PC screen )....your Byrd disc does not have the vocal numbers....the thick plottens, as ff would say. Perhaps Marketing had the last word?

You are right.
The 'separated-out' CDs I have are indeed compilations, produced in 1993 (Dowland) and 1994 (Byrd) from recordings made in 1989 and 1990. The Byrd disc's playing time is 76’27”, which might be why the vocal items were left off. The Dowland disc's playing time is 60’03”.

[MickyD]

Goebel's recording is a lot more austere than you might you might expect - there's no dynamic swelling, no extravagant ornamentation, and no lute. I find it quite beautiful; it doesn't sound like anyone else's version or like anything else by this group.

Now I'm even more intrigued to hear it!

[Richard Tarleton]

Amazon algorithm offering me 3 different versions this morning - must have been down to investigating the Fretwork versions the other day. I think I'm being stalked

[MickyD]

Amazon algorithm offering me 3 different versions this morning - must have been down to investigating the Fretwork versions the other day. I think I'm being stalked

Can you excuse their wrongs?

[doversoul1]

It's Phantasm.

Available as a CD (for a change )

[ed.]
Dr Gibson

http://newcastle.academia.edu/KirstenGibson

[Richard Tarleton]

(that was for MickyD)

I was much taken with the Phantasm sound from the first extract she played. Dr Gibson too prefers her pavans uninterrupted

An excellently constructed BAL I thought - loads of extracts, analysis short and to the point. I don't think I've heard Dr Gibson before but look forward to doing so again.

I couldn't have a luteless version, on principle