BaL 23.09.17 - Franck: Symphony in D minor

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  • Alain Maréchal
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    • Dec 2010
    • 1288

    #76
    I am slightly obsessed with this work, since Franck was a "local boy made good" in my family home, and it was played in the first concert I attended (Liège, Franz André, 1956). I have so many recordings it is hard (and pointless) to choose a favourite, but I think highly of Beecham, Boult, Monteux, Paray and especially van Otterloo whose recordings with the Residentie and Vienna SO are also on my shelves. (Oh, I have just chosen a favourite - van Otterloo/Concertgebouw,) .

    A note about Beecham, who is highly thought of in the U.K. (except in certain quarters - proof I do read these boards carefully). He recorded it twice with the French National RO; in 1957, mono, and again in 1959 in stereo, for obvious commercial reasons. I presume the mono recording never appeared on CD, but it is much better than the later recording, which sounds under-rehearsed, lethargic and neither conductor nor orchestra are on best form. Another reason for keeping the vinyl collection.

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    • seabright
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      • Jan 2013
      • 630

      #77
      I wonder where the Klemperer / NPO recording will figure in all this? I'm just listening to it on You Tube and am amused by the two comments underneath the video: "Lifeless and totally devoid of spirit" as against "I found it one of the most compelling renditions" ...

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      Incidentally, the Stokowski entry in #1 is incorrect. He didn't record it with the LSO, while his Hilversum (Netherlands) Radio Philharmonic version is currently available as a CD from Cala Records (CACD 0525) not just as a download, as stated. I'm not sure what the three asterisks against his entry mean either!

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      • vinteuil
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12959

        #78
        Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
        I am slightly obsessed with this work, since Franck was a "local boy made good" in my family home, and it was played in the first concert I attended (Liège, Franz André, 1956). I have so many recordings it is hard (and pointless) to choose a favourite, but I think highly of Beecham, Boult, Monteux, Paray and especially van Otterloo whose recordings with the Residentie and Vienna SO are also on my shelves. (Oh, I have just chosen a favourite - van Otterloo/Concertgebouw,) .
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        ... and it doesn't cost a fortune, neither -




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        • vinteuil
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          • Nov 2010
          • 12959

          #79
          Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
          I am slightly obsessed with this work, since Franck was a "local boy made good" in my family.
          ... o, as in that famous (British) game - "Name Ten Famous Citizens Of The United Kingdom Of The Netherlands 1815-1830"



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          • Cockney Sparrow
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            • Jan 2014
            • 2292

            #80
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            .. I used to have the BBC MusMag cover CD with the work, but that was such a dreadful performance (with an even worse Poeme de l'amour et de la Mer) that I binned it.....
            Useful information - I was able to pass over a copy this morning in a charity shop.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12959

              #81
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              ... I used to have the BBC MusMag cover CD with the work, but that was such a dreadful performance (with an even worse Poeme de l'amour et de la Mer) that I binned it.

              ... could you name the guilty parties? It wd be useful to know...


              Praps this one?



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              • Goon525
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                • Feb 2014
                • 606

                #82
                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                I don't think anyone has commented on the intriguing choice of reviewer to take charge of this BAL - Mahan Esfahani, always stimulating, amusing and outspoken. I shall certainly be listening, for his take on the piece, as well as to hear which favoured runners and riders meet with his approval.

                Oh and thank you seabright for your #70 which answers my query
                If you haven't already seen this, an interesting bit of background on Mr Esfahani:-

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #83
                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... could you name the guilty parties? It wd be useful to know...
                  Praps this one?
                  http://amzn.eu/70wtxuo
                  - the very one. (Don't buy it: you'll Roo the day if you do!)
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                  • Alain Maréchal
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 1288

                    #84
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    ... o, as in that famous (British) game - "Name Ten Famous Citizens Of The United Kingdom Of The Netherlands 1815-1830"



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                    Fortunately you weren't playing that game in 1914 when the question of a "scrap of paper" came up. I mentioned locality (about 25km away = "local" unless my English is deficient), not fluctuating nationality. (The only time I met the Bishop of Liège he looked slightly annoyed that he was no longer a Prince as well.)

                    p.s. was the Duke of Wellington Irish?
                    Last edited by Alain Maréchal; 16-09-17, 16:19.

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      Do we know the audio status of its manifestation on Naxos Classical Archives?



                      I can't find anything about it... Presumably, as good as the latest Mercury release...
                      Seabright has answered you very well, but in general ​never assume that releases on different labels sound similar - my experience is more often the opposite - especially with those transfers devoid of notes, dates or mastering details, which are often poor. As a rule of thumb if the couplings are different or absent, the sound will be different (often inferior) too.
                      So look for the Rachmaninov 2 coupling for the stereo Paray Franck, which - despite cuts - is a stunning performance in itself.

                      Incidentally the Van Otterloo recording I mentioned above was the 1964 RCOA one that Alain prefers, on a decent-sounding IMP/Pickwick CD. There should be a download of it somewhere, or available to stream, I haven't checked...
                      When Jon Swain surveyed the work for Gramophone Collection (3/99), this was a top choice, along with Paray Stereo ("a paragon of the French way"), Montreal/Dutoit (praised musically, but especially for the recorded sound) and of course his finally-favoured CSO/Monteux...

                      (He also liked Mengelberg, and the Paris Orch./Karajan - "a deeply serious act of faith" - enjoying it for its architectural sense as well).
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 16-09-17, 16:29.

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                      • Alain Maréchal
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 1288

                        #86
                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        ... and it doesn't cost a fortune, neither -




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                        For the money you also get excellent versions of the violin sonata and the variations.

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                        • vinteuil
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12959

                          #87
                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          ...When Jon Swain surveyed the work for Gramophone Collection (3/99), this was a top choice, along with Paray Stereo ("a paragon of the French way"), Montreal/Dutoit (praised musically, but especially for the recorded sound) and of course his finally-favoured CSO/Monteux...
                          well).
                          ... which seems to be a real bargain -



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                          • jayne lee wilson
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 10711

                            #88
                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            ... which seems to be a real bargain -



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                            But different couplings (see above!) and what's the label, really?
                            THIS is the one JS listened to...


                            But if I was after it now I'd go for the Mercury, c/w Petrouchka....

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                            • HighlandDougie
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3108

                              #89
                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              ... which seems to be a real bargain -



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                              I'd forgotten all about that Diapason freebie disc (one of the pleasures of the magazine arriving every month is that one has absolutely no idea of what the month's disc will contain but, to use the modern cliché, one can be sure that it will be "well-curated"). And, to answer's Jayne's concern that it might be another dodgy transfer à la Naxos and Paul Paray, all of Diapason's reissues are licensed (and of consistently excellent quality). The Monteux was/is also available as a 3-channel SACD, couple with the Boston SO Pétrouchka as in:



                              A bit expensive on Amazon - it can be found more cheaply elsewhere

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                              • seabright
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                                • Jan 2013
                                • 630

                                #90
                                The Monteux / Chicago is on You Tube if that's of any interest for "audition" purposes ...

                                César FranckSymphony in d minorI. Lento - Allegro non troppo 0:00II. Allegretto 18:02III. Allegro non troppo 28:39Chicago Symphony OrchestraPierre MonteuxStu...

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