BaL 18.06.11 - Wagner: Tristan & Isolde

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  • gurnemanz
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    • Nov 2010
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    #16
    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
    I don't think I'll be adding another version to my collection (Furtwangler, Bohm - I'm afraid the Solti LPs went years ago) - but I found this a riveting and insightful hour.
    I agree. I also have Böhm (+ Kleiber on LP) and cannot really justify adding another one, especially as the Barenboim, however tempting it may be, appears to be not one for the cheapskates amongst us.

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    • Flosshilde
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7988

      #17
      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
      however tempting it may be, appears to be not one for the cheapskates amongst us.
      Andrew did say that it's being re-issued next month in a cheaper format. It won't have the libretto, but if you've got other recordings that hardly matters.

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      • ostuni
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        • Nov 2010
        • 551

        #18
        Yes, I thought Roger Vignoles did an excellent job - we should be wary of assuming that just because a performer is noted for one area of the repertory, they're not also keen/knowledgeable on something entirely different.

        The extracts from the Kleiber/Price/Kollo recording really impressed me. And this is already available at a low price, so I feel a purchase coming on...

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        • Pianorak
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          • Nov 2010
          • 3128

          #19
          Originally posted by ostuni View Post
          The extracts from the Kleiber/Price/Kollo recording really impressed me. And this is already available at a low price, so I feel a purchase coming on...
          Even cheaper here: http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProduct...;-1&sku=360816
          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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          • ostuni
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            • Nov 2010
            • 551

            #20
            Thank you! And the dog has an excellent price on the new Ivan Fischer Schubert 9, whose extracts sound particularly lovely (listenable over at Presto: I've spent quite enough at this latter location not to feel a twinge of guilt at occasionally shopping elsewhere...).

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            • gradus
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              A fascinating BAL excellently presented by Mr Vignolles who did a very thorough job. I just wish that he liked Jon Vickers and hadn't given him such short shrift. Vickers had extraordinary stage presence and was by some margin the most compelling Tristan I have heard. Shame too that Goodall's version didn't get a mention, presumably no longer available?

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              • Mandryka

                #22
                Originally posted by gradus View Post
                A fascinating BAL excellently presented by Mr Vignolles who did a very thorough job. I just wish that he liked Jon Vickers and hadn't given him such short shrift. Vickers had extraordinary stage presence and was by some margin the most compelling Tristan I have heard. Shame too that Goodall's version didn't get a mention, presumably no longer available?
                Not heard it yet, but sorry to hear that R.V. is not a Vickers afficionado (not everyone is, but I certainly am).

                The Goodall version is long oop and goes for vast sums on ebay. It's one of the few studio recordings of the work I'm unfamiliar with....a lot of people don't think the WNO orchestra of the day was quite up to the task and Goodall isn't really my cup of tea, so I'm waiting until it's reiussed at bumper bargain price.

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #23
                  There's a nice anecdote about Vickers and Nilsson. She turned up to do a Tristan in - I think New York, but certainly stateside. A message came from Vickers that there would be a stand-in for him at the rehearsal, but that he would be at the performance. Nilsson relied that unless he was at the rehearsal, she would not be at the performance. Vickers came to the rehearsal.

                  Vickers was a force of nature on stage - I caught him as Otello and Aeneas at ROH, both in 1972. Solti says in his memoir "Solti on Solti": "For some reason, Vickers and I had never got on well, which was a pity, since he had an excellent tenor voice [];we could have done some very good work together".

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                  • Bert Coules
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 763

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    Nilsson replied that unless he was at the rehearsal, she would not be at the performance.
                    This from the woman who ruined the end of Peter Hall's Tristan production at Covent Garden by refusing to perform the final tableau at the end of the Liebestod, leaving Jess Thomas high and dry and depriving both him and the audience of a stunning coup de theatre.

                    Bert

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                    • Mandryka

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      There's a nice anecdote about Vickers and Nilsson. She turned up to do a Tristan in - I think New York, but certainly stateside. A message came from Vickers that there would be a stand-in for him at the rehearsal, but that he would be at the performance. Nilsson relied that unless he was at the rehearsal, she would not be at the performance. Vickers came to the rehearsal.

                      Vickers was a force of nature on stage - I caught him as Otello and Aeneas at ROH, both in 1972. Solti says in his memoir "Solti on Solti": "For some reason, Vickers and I had never got on well, which was a pity, since he had an excellent tenor voice [];we could have done some very good work together".
                      The Vickers-Solti rift has been attributed to a Walkure piano rehearsal at which Solti had the temerity to 'teach' Vickers how Wintersturme.... should be sung by humming it to him.

                      I've also heard stories of Vickers refusing to rehearse with Charles Mackeras, though no reason was ever given.

                      There are numerous stories that suggest he was/is a 'difficult' man, though he seems to have enjoyed productive relationships with the likes of Karajan and Colin Davis.

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                      • Tristan Klingsor

                        #26
                        Excellent as Mr Vignoles was, I got the impression that he was unaware that Böhm's 'live' Bayreuth Tristan was a concert performance with each act given on a separate day; hence why the singers weren't as knackered as others may have been for the love duet.

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                        • Barbirollians
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11771

                          #27
                          I have the kleiber and the Pappano I was not tempted to add another by this BAL ( OK apart from the Furtwangler!)

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                          • StephenO

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                            I have the kleiber and the Pappano I was not tempted to add another by this BAL ( OK apart from the Furtwangler!)
                            I'm definitely tempted by the Furtwangler which I remember borrowing on LP from our local record library 30+ years ago. It was my introduction to Tristan. Only have Bohm at the moment.

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                            • Black Swan

                              #29
                              I also enjoyed BAL immensely. I have Böhm and have the DVD of Barenboim at La Scala. I purchased the DVD as I am a fan of Waltraud Meier. I enjoy both the Böhm as well. I have been tempted to buy another recording, especially one by Nina Stemme as Isolde as I hear she is expected to be the next great Wagnerian Soprano. I might also be tempted if the Barenboim CD's are reissued at bargain price.

                              John

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                              • StephenO

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Black Swan View Post
                                I also enjoyed BAL immensely. I have Böhm and have the DVD of Barenboim at La Scala. I purchased the DVD as I am a fan of Waltraud Meier. I enjoy both the Böhm as well. I have been tempted to buy another recording, especially one by Nina Stemme as Isolde as I hear she is expected to be the next great Wagnerian Soprano. I might also be tempted if the Barenboim CD's are reissued at bargain price.

                                John
                                I think Roger Vignoles said Teldec were reissuing the Barenboim set at mid/bargain price in a month or so. Fingers crossed.

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