BaL 8.04.17 - Kodaly: Dances of Galanta

[BBMmk2]

I have Antal Dorati but I'vea feeling he is going to be surpassed!

[HighlandDougie]

You're most kind, greenilex. Unfortunately,
a) there's no ongoing topic to "hang it" on; and
b) in any case, once I get going there's no stopping me.
(I've just completed a piece of concert promotion which was supposed to be restricted to 750 words...)

As Bartok was my first "favourite" 20th century composer (ah, the pretensions of the 14 year old) - and remains one of my favourite composers. I also would be most interested in this. I'm sure that 'Talking about music' must have Bartok among the composers in that sub-thread?? And, if not, why not.

Oops, very OT. Back to Kodály .....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'm sure that 'Talking about music' must have Bartok among the composers in that sub-thread?? And, if not, why not.

The answer to this question - when a composer isn't featured in the sub-Forum - is always "because you* haven't started it yet? We're all wondering what's stopping you*". On this occasion, however, Bartok is amongst the sub-Forumed:

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?12687-Bartok-(1881-1945)

(NB * = "you" here being whoever asks the question, not necessarily HighDoug!)

[LeMartinPecheur]

I have the Dorati (sorry to be boring) and the old CFP Susskind on LP. This has never struck me as a work that needed much interpretation, or where small differences were likely to be crucial. But I'll be open to persuasion nest week...

... as long as it doesn't cost me any money

More seriously, the K work that for me nearly puts him up there alongside Bartok is the solo cello sonata - a quite fantastic work IMHO. I'm still looking for another one that's right up there with it though The sonata for violin and cello is close...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... the K work that for me nearly puts him up there alongside Bartok is the solo cello sonata - a quite fantastic work IMHO.

[Serial_Apologist]

Perhaps Koday is due for re-evaluation. For me, most of the more interesting output comes from early in his career, culminating with "Psalmus Hungaricus": after "Hary Janos" not so much, pleasant enough though the "Peacock Variations" and a late-ish Concerto for Orchestra are. He's kind of in a similar bracket with Respighi.

[LeMartinPecheur]

fhg: I had the pleasure of hearing Richard Jenkinson of the Dante Quartet play the work extremely well at their Festival down here in Cornwall a couple of years ago. He was writing a doctoral dissertation on it which I'd be interested to read...except that I probably wouldn't understand it

Catch him if he plays it anywhere near you!

[visualnickmos]

I have Antal Dorati but I'vea feeling he is going to be surpassed!

I have Kertesz, and I would hope that you and I will listen to the BaL, and come away happy with our existing versions.

[verismissimo]

My main objective will be to discover on which a or as the stress should be applied.

I have (and enjoy) Lehel with the Budapest SO, bought on LP in Pest many years ago.

[Barbirollians]

I have the Philharminia Hungarica Dirsti on cassette somewhere and Kertesz on CD both excellent .

[verismissimo]

My main objective will be to discover on which a or as the stress should be applied.

GalAnta? GalantA? GAlanta? GAlantA? Other?

[vinteuil]

GalAnta? GalantA? GAlanta? GAlantA? Other?

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Gallandau.

But there seems to be an accent on the second syllable in its Hungarian form - Galánta.

Wiki advises us : "The name is derived from a Slavic name Golęta (initially a collective name of a youth group selected from a kin and responsible for guarding). A pre-Hungarian origin of the settlement is documented by the Proto-Slavic nasal "ę" conserved in the name (GalaNta; compare with Czech Holetín and Holetice)."

I think I have been mis-pronouncing this as GALanta, assuming it had the usual Hungarian stress on the initial syllable - but the accent written over the second syllable shows that I have been wrong ...

[Alain Maréchal]

I have the Dorati/ Minneapolis version as a single disc. I would have thought that it was included in the big box Mercury reissues, but apparently not

Disc 4 of Box 1. Costly way of acquiring it, however.

https://www.amazon.fr/Mercury-Living-Presence-Coffret-51/dp/B005XBA9Y8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1491072009&sr=1-1&keywords=mercury+living+presence

This would suffice:

https://www.amazon.fr/Hungarian-Sketches-Roumanian-Galanta-Marosszek/dp/B0000057KN/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1491072425&sr=1-3&keywords=kodaly+dorati

There is also an Ormandy/Philadelphia recording lurking amongst Sony/CBS reissues.

[rauschwerk]

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Gallandau.

But there seems to be an accent on the second syllable in its Hungarian form - Galánta.

Wiki advises us : "The name is derived from a Slavic name Golęta (initially a collective name of a youth group selected from a kin and responsible for guarding). A pre-Hungarian origin of the settlement is documented by the Proto-Slavic nasal "ę" conserved in the name (GalaNta; compare with Czech Holetín and Holetice)."

I think I have been mis-pronouncing this as GALanta, assuming it had the usual Hungarian stress on the initial syllable - but the accent written over the second syllable shows that I have been wrong ...

The mark over the second 'a' is not a stress mark. The 'a' without a mark is a very dark sound, almost like an English 'o' as in 'hot'. 'a' with the mark is pronounced like the 'a' in 'bath' as pronounced in Yorkshire. Stress is definitely on the first syllable.

[verismissimo]

The mark over the second 'a' is not a stress mark. The 'a' without a mark is a very dark sound, almost like an English 'o' as in 'hot'. 'a' with the mark is pronounced like the 'a' in 'bath' as pronounced in Yorkshire. Stress is definitely on the first syllable.

Ah, as in takács. Thanks rauschie.