BaL 14.01.17 - Tchaikovsky: Symphony no. 4 in F minor

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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26601

    #61
    Rob Cowan should set up an automatic link to various threads on the Forum... https://robccowan.wordpress.com/2017...-own/#comments

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • BBMmk2
      Late Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 20908

      #62
      On the Book of Face as well, Cali.
      Don’t cry for me
      I go where music was born

      J S Bach 1685-1750

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      • Petrushka
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12389

        #63
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Rob Cowan should set up an automatic link to various threads on the Forum... https://robccowan.wordpress.com/2017...-own/#comments

        Thanks for the link! I've added my twopenn'orth for what it's worth. Looks as if Jurowski doesn't make it
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20578

          #64
          It looks as though Rob's blog has taken the wind out of this thread.

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #65
            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            It looks as thought Rob's blog has taken the wind out of this thread.
            BaL threads are a bit stop and start, aren’t they? I’m sure we’ll be back in force, soon.

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            • Beef Oven!
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              • Sep 2013
              • 18147

              #66
              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              Thanks for the link! I've added my twopenn'orth for what it's worth. Looks as if Jurowski doesn't make it
              Shame. It’s a fairly recent, well recorded excellent performance. I’m still giving the edge to Gergiev VPO, though. I don’t suppose Val will figure much in the broadcast.

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              • Alison
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                • Nov 2010
                • 6488

                #67
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                It looks as though Rob's blog has taken the wind out of this thread.
                Yes, having favoured versions not making the cut at this stage ever so slightly reduces enthusiasm!

                At the risk of being Miss Predictable the Concertgebouw/Haitink is an underrated version. The orchestra had such character in them days ....

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                • Barbirollians
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11882

                  #68
                  It is my least favourite of the last three symphonies - but I still seem to have quite a few . Szell would probably be my first choice but I liked the recent Nelsons as well as the Barbirollis and the BPO /Karajan the Mravinsky etc .

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                  • Petrushka
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Alison View Post
                    Yes, having favoured versions not making the cut at this stage ever so slightly reduces enthusiasm!

                    At the risk of being Miss Predictable the Concertgebouw/Haitink is an underrated version. The orchestra had such character in them days ....
                    I bought that LP when it first came out! Haven't played the CD for quite a while so will give it an airing pre-Saturday. My default versions for many years were BPO/Karajan (1977) and Leningrad PO/Mravinsky. Karajan's final version with the VPO isn't to be discounted either. It's such a long time since some of my recordings saw the inside of my CD player I feel like doing a BeefO total immersion!
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • Beef Oven!
                      Ex-member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      I bought that LP when it first came out! Haven't played the CD for quite a while so will give it an airing pre-Saturday. My default versions for many years were BPO/Karajan (1977) and Leningrad PO/Mravinsky. Karajan's final version with the VPO isn't to be discounted either. It's such a long time since some of my recordings saw the inside of my CD player I feel like doing a BeefO total immersion!
                      Sometimes (e.g. BaL-times) I think it’s a good idea to do an immersion job. Many of us have multiple recordings of a given work. This gives an excellent opportunity to compare and contrast different approaches and different results - a truly gripping pass-time.

                      Right now with Tchaikovsky 4, I’d say go for it, Petrushka!

                      Having multiple recordings also offers the luxury of choosing a particular artist, version, era etc as the mood takes us.
                      Last edited by Beef Oven!; 11-01-17, 10:10. Reason: for some reason, I keep saying 3 when I mean 4

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22239

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        Yes, having favoured versions not making the cut at this stage ever so slightly reduces enthusiasm!

                        At the risk of being Miss Predictable the Concertgebouw/Haitink is an underrated version. The orchestra had such character in them days ....
                        Did you know there were two CAO Haitink No4s. The first one 6500012, to my knowledge, has never appeared on CD. As with the No 6 of similar vintage, 6500081, mid to late 60s. The later ones were part of a cycle with Manfred in the 70s.
                        Last edited by cloughie; 11-01-17, 23:03.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12389

                          #72
                          just left this comment Rob Cowan's blog and wonder if any other Forumites have come across this one:

                          Rob, do you know a live Mravinsky/Leningrad PO account from April 24 1959 in Moscow and issued on a Praga Digital Hybrid SACD (PRD/DSD 350 053)? it’s in ‘bi-channel stereo’ and whatever processing it’s gone through it sounds pretty good. The performance is absolutely incendiary as you might expect from this source.

                          Never likely to be a first choice but one for the curious and it does sound many times better than you would think. Coupled with a Schubert Unfinished from the same concert.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • seabright
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                            • Jan 2013
                            • 637

                            #73
                            Also missing from the "available" list, but still purchasable through Amazon UK, are Andrew Litton with the Bournemouth Symphony and Rostropovich with the LPO. Also available via Amazon are the two Ormandy / Philadelphia recordings: CBS / Sony from 1963 and RCA / BMG from 1973.

                            Actually, anything you want is pretty much "available" in these internet days. I was looking for a rare 1950s Capitol LP recently, so I just tapped the catalogue number into the Google search field and up it popped on eBay. It was duly ordered straight away and arrived two days later. So much for "availability"!

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                            • pastoralguy
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7870

                              #74
                              Originally posted by seabright View Post
                              Also missing from the "available" list, but still purchasable through Amazon UK, are Andrew Litton with the Bournemouth Symphony and Rostropovich with the LPO. Also available via Amazon are the two Ormandy / Philadelphia recordings: CBS / Sony from 1963 and RCA / BMG from 1973.

                              Actually, anything you want is pretty much "available" in these internet days. I was looking for a rare 1950s Capitol LP recently, so I just tapped the catalogue number into the Google search field and up it popped on eBay. It was duly ordered straight away and arrived two days later. So much for "availability"!

                              Before the internet, I had a list of books and CDs that I really wanted but were oop. Then a friend showed me how to set up an account and, armed only with a credit card, I obtained almost all the objects of my desire within a week. And often, my desired objects were quite inexpensive!

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                              • seabright
                                Full Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 637

                                #75
                                Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                                Before the internet, I had a list of books and CDs that I really wanted but were oop. Then a friend showed me how to set up an account and, armed only with a credit card, I obtained almost all the objects of my desire within a week. And often, my desired objects were quite inexpensive!
                                If one wanted to be really pedantic, one would have to say of the BAL lists "Available in the UK" because the first American recording of the Tchaikovsky 4th, from 1928 with the Philadelphians under Stokowski, can be readily ordered via Amazon.com in $$, not ££! ... Still there's no way RC can possibly listen to, let alone illustrate, over 100 CDs of the work in 45 minutes or so, regardless of their "availability," so it's all a bit academic anyway. I'd personally prefer the the return of "Interpretations on Record" where the time-slot was longer and the reviewer had a much wider range of recordings to discuss without having to bother with the "available" tag.

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