BaL 31.12.16 - Bruckner: Symphony no. 3 in D minor

[P. G. Tipps]

Ans = Bruckner would have loved it! I can just see him now, rushing up to Maestro Marthe with a tray of steaming hot doughnuts!

Very likely!

(know what some here could well have suggested he might do with the tray of doughnuts, though ... )

[Barbirollians]

Very likely!

(know what some here could well have suggested he might do with the tray of doughnuts, though ... )

Marthe's version is not an edition of Bruckner 3 but a conflation of his favourites of each edition with touched up scoring Stokowski's Bach transcriptions were more faithful .

[Bryn]

Marthe's version is not an edition of Bruckner 3 but a conflation of his favourites of each edition with touched up scoring Stokowski's Bach transcriptions were more faithful .

Ah, like the Haas version of the 8th, eh?

[Beef Oven!]

Marthe's version is not an edition of Bruckner 3 but a conflation of his favourites of each edition with touched up scoring Stokowski's Bach transcriptions were more faithful .

John F. Berky lists it as an edition on bruckner.com (as recommended by Jayne). Perhaps you know better!

(good that Marthe took his favourite bits - could’ve been dire otherwise!).

But how could you know what his ‘favourites’ are in the first place? And even if you did know, how would you know he’s conflated them, given that you have not listened to this performance?

You are in good company - Jayne and ahinton tell us they have not listened to it either. For this sort of prejudice and bigotry to arise in a thread about available recordings of Bruckner 3, really surprises me.

[Beef Oven!]

Very likely!

(know what some here could well have suggested he might do with the tray of doughnuts, though ... )

It’s Bruckner 3 Scotty/Jim, but not as we know it.

[Beef Oven!]

I’ve been listening to Bruckner 3 quite a lot since the notice of this BaL. And I’m really looking forward to the broadcast - I do hope it doesn’t disappoint.

I’m going to raise my head above the parapet and say that I do not expect to add a recording to my existing collection of 19 CDs and 2 downloads of this symphony. Except, I’m tempted by Yannick Nézet-Séguin's latest Staatskapelle Dresdener release. I have his Canadian Orchestre Métropolitain disc, which I really like very much. I am also rather partial to Yannick, due to enjoying an amazing Christus Factus Est/Symphony 9/Te Deum (no break) a few years back in London and had the privilege of a short, but satisfying after concert chat with this warm, charming, amazingly talented professional.

The reason why I don’t think I’ll be adding a new recording is because the following four are top of the pops for me:

(Random order)

Rémy Ballot - Altomonte Orchester St. Florian. Gramola SACD. 89 minutes, single disc! (1873 Original Version Ed. Leopold Nowak [1977]) Getting most enjoyment out of this recording

Georg Tintner - Royal Scottish National Orchestra. Naxos CD (1873 Original Version Ed. Leopold Nowak [1977]) Personal favourite

Riccardo Chailly - Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra. Decca CD (1889 Version (aka 1888/89) Ed. Leopold Nowak [1959]) If pushed, I’d recommend this to a newcomer to this symphony

Herbert Von Karajan - Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. Deutsche Grammophon CD (1889 Version (aka 1888/89) Ed. Leopold Nowak [1959]) Can’t keep this bloke down!

Close, but no cigar:

Inbal - Frankfurt RSO
Yannick S-N - Orchestre Métropolitain

And finally, what about Peter Jan Marthe’s 2006 'Neufassung' reconstructed from the 1873-1876-1877-1889 editions performance? Well, having listened to it many times over many months, I'd say that it is too idiosyncratic to be considered as a serious contender - impossible to recommend it for a BaL choice. And it is certain to offend the more straight-laced and conservative among us. But trust me, it is a glorious cosmic-romp-through of some of the most amazing music our beloved maestro Bruckner ever wrote - don’t miss out - I won’t, I’ll be returning to it regularly!

Edit: It is still a mystery as to why none of the moderators will add this CD and download to the list of available recordings.

[BBMmk2]

Beefy, I have this, if you remember, on your recommendation!! It's certainly one of the best, imo. Having heard the Simone Young, and Yannick S-N, the Chailly is one of the best all-rounders, imo.

[Beef Oven!]

Beefy, I have this, if you remember, on your recommendation!!

BBM, which one do you have?

[ahinton]

John F. Berky lists it as an edition on bruckner.com (as recommended by Jayne). Perhaps you know better!

(good that Marthe took his favourite bits - could’ve been dire otherwise!).

But how could you know what his ‘favourites’ are in the first place? And even if you did know, how would you know he’s conflated them, given that you have not listened to this performance?

You are in good company - Jayne and ahinton tell us they have not listened to it either. For this sort of prejudice and bigotry to arise in a thread about available recordings of Bruckner 3, really surprises me.

My remarks were based upon what Marthé had done with/to the finale of Bruckner 9 and, as I'd not at that time listened to what he did with the whole of 3 in his "reloading" thereof, those observations were neither prejudice nor bigotry but representative of a fear that if his 9 finale was anything to go by I'd hold out little hope for his "reloaded" 3, to which I have since listened. My remarks based upon that one listening are contained in the paragraph below.

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But don't just take my word for it; check our https://www.abruckner.com/articles/a...vandermeijden/ .

[Beef Oven!]

My remarks were based upon what Marthé had done with/to the finale of Bruckner 9 and, as I'd not at that time listened to what he did with the whole of 3 in his "reloading" thereof, those observations were neither prejudice nor bigotry but representative of a fear that if his 9 finale was anything to go by I'd hold out little hope for his "reloaded" 3, to which I have since listened. My remarks based upon that one listening are contained in the paragraph below.

That’s a near-perfect example of pre-judgement.

[ahinton]

That’s a near-perfect example of pre-judgement.

But it was at least based upon another example of the same person's work with Bruckner rather than mere hearsay or just having read what he'd written about that work. Anyway, as I wrote, I have now listened to it, so it's now based upon that experience as well.

[Beef Oven!]

But it was at least based upon another example of the same person's work with Bruckner rather than mere hearsay or just having read what he'd written about that work. Anyway, as I wrote, I have now listened to it, so it's now based upon that experience as well.

Too late, you’ve already set your stall out based on prejudice. If you have now listened to it as you claim, you merely appear to be reinforcing your prejudiced view. Where did you hear it from, by the way?

[BBMmk2]

BBM, which one do you have?

The Chailly. I have heard the Y S-N, Simone Young. I also have Eugene Jochum's, as part of that DG cycle.

[Beef Oven!]

The Chailly. I have heard the Y S-N, Simone Young. I also have Eugene Jochum's, as part of that DG cycle.

Really like the Chailly

People speak highly of the Simon Young, but I haven’t heard her performance.

[Alison]

88 messages and Tom hasn't uttered a word.

Bring it on.