BaL 31.12.16 - Bruckner: Symphony no. 3 in D minor

[LeMartinPecheur]

They seem to have largely got rid of the hooliganism at classical concerts these days .. or maybe I go to the wrong ones.

It was surely the general adoption of all-seater stadiums that did that. In the lower divisions, the standing areas of the Proms can still get a bit rough. Particularly when there's a Panic...

[ahinton]

It was surely the general adoption of all-seater stadiums that did that. In the lower divisions, the standing areas of the Proms can still get a bit rough. Particularly when there's a Panic...

If only Karlheinz's Prommung had commanded audiences' attention...

[teamsaint]

They seem to have largely got rid of the hooliganism at classical concerts these days .. or maybe I go to the wrong ones.

well not violence on an epic scale, but you'd get a long ban for similar at the footy.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/mar/05/mid-concert-selfie-stage-invasions-hasnt-dvorak-suffered-enough-already

( and since we are on the subject, the Brahms that night won't be long remembered, certainly not by me.......)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

They seem to have largely got rid of the hooliganism at classical concerts these days .. or maybe I go to the wrong ones.

You've never been near the door of the bar at the start of the Interval at a concert in the Winter Gardens at Eastbourne, I take it? (Vicious, it is; vicious! The teenagers daren't venture out alone after dark!)

[ahinton]

You've never been near the door of the bar at the start of the Interval at a concert in the Winter Gardens at Eastbourne, I take it? (Vicious, it is; vicious! The teenagers daren't venture out alone after dark!)

Do you suppose that this was part of the inspiration for La Mer?

[Beef Oven!]

Me too - and no coincidence that the Royal Albert Hall is a favourite venue of mine for both composers (and not many others).

I haven’t given much thought to venue. But I might agree with you. As you would expect, my Bruckner and Sibelius concerts have been pretty much evenly spread across The Barbican, RFH and RAH.

[Daniel]

It was surely the general adoption of all-seater stadiums that did that. In the lower divisions, the standing areas of the Proms can still get a bit rough. Particularly when there's a Panic...

... I hear concerts with music by Arthur 'Two Shed Ends' Jackson can get a bit tasty too.

[Beef Oven!]

Currently listening to this on YouTube .....

[Stanfordian]

Bruckner
Symphony No. 3 (Nowak version 1877)
Staatskapelle Dresden/Giuseppe Sinopoli
Recorded 1990 Lukaskirche, Dresden
Deutsche Grammophon

[Beef Oven!]

Listening to the BaL winner now ........

[jayne lee wilson]

Tangentially, Beef, the 1872 2nd in that same Blomstedt series, again fresh, crisp and uptempo, is probably even better! Don't miss it....

[Beef Oven!]

Tangentially, Beef, the 1872 2nd in that same Blomstedt series, again fresh, crisp and uptempo, is probably even better! Don't miss it....

Thanks Jayne - coincidentally, Symphony #2 is going to be my next Bruckner port of call (for extensive consideration).

[jayne lee wilson]

Thanks Jayne - coincidentally, Symphony #2 is going to be my next Bruckner port of call (for extensive consideration).

Not to drag this excellent thread too far off course - well maybe it's just the Bruckner thread now - I've been listening to the Venzago 2/1877 this week and I just can't move on from it - it's both beautiful and revelatory, even more so than when it appeared. It's rubato-rich in interpretative interest but almost unique in performance style. And what a wonderfully pure tone from the principal horn. I always felt earlier, quicker recordings of the various revisions (e.g. Jochum/Dresden) tried too hard to align it with the later, larger-scale, more dramatic Bruckner, whereas the 2nd is unique in its largely gentle lyrical, pastoral serenity... I feel we had to wait till Tintner really , to get at the truth of it.

[Beef Oven!]

Not to drag this excellent thread too far off course - well maybe it's just the Bruckner thread now - I've been listening to the Venzago 2/1877 this week and I just can't move on from it - it's both beautiful and revelatory, even more so than when it appeared. It's rubato-rich in interpretative interest but almost unique in performance style. And what a wonderfully pure tone from the principal horn. I always felt earlier, quicker recordings of the various revisions (e.g. Jochum/Dresden) tried too hard to align it with the later, larger-scale, more dramatic Bruckner, whereas the 2nd is unique in its largely gentle lyrical, pastoral serenity... I feel we had to wait till Tintner really , to get at the truth of it.

Yes, Tintner was a game changer, I remember buying it as soon as it came out. RB was talking positively about Venzago’s early Bruckner symphonies quite a while back and I know you’ve been extolling Venzago’s virtues, loud and long. I have Venzago’s 2/1877 on download from Qobuz and I look forward to closely comparing it to my beloved Tintner, Karajan, Stein and Giulini.

Years back, before I understood the artistic enormity of B3, it was #2 that was my favourite early symphony. So it will be a sort of home-coming for me!

[Bryn]

About to spin the 3rd of May 1960 performance by the Orchester des Nationaltheaters Mannheim conducted by Paul Hindemith. The edition is not credited on the paperwork for this CD but it appears to be 1889 ed. Nowak. [Hmm, on second thoughts, more like the 1890 version. A bit scrappy but worth hearing what Hindemith made of it.]