BaL 24.12.16/10.12.22 - Mozart: Piano Concerto no. 21 in C, K467

[Barbirollians]

Ah well, it seems some of us have had enough of experts...

Are you suggesting that David Owen Norris's opinion is to be preferred to all past reviewers ? or that Lipatti was self-evidently so second rate that he did not deserve a mention ?

I agree with Pet - there is a clear steer towards having to choose HIPP recordings in classical /early romantic repertoire .

[vinteuil]

... there is a clear steer towards having to choose HIPP recordings in classical /early romantic repertoire .

Excellent! - Magna est veritas et prævalet...

[rauschwerk]

I agree with Pet - there is a clear steer towards having to choose HIPP recordings in classical /early romantic repertoire .

If that's the case, why are we told on the BAL webpage that DON 'also liked' Brautigam (fp), Perahia/COE and Lupu/Segal?

[Tony Halstead]

If that's the case, why are we told on the BAL webpage that DON 'also liked' Brautigam (fp), Perahia/COE and Lupu/Segal?

I somehow missed any mention of the Lupu/Segal performance... unfortunately I haven't heard it since I took part in the recording itself, in Kingsway Hall, London, well over 40 years ago.
At the time, I thought Lupu's playing was superb and (rather arrogantly) I made a mental note to 'watch' the career of that young Romanian pianist..! The rest is history.

RE: that old chestnut, HIPP versus 'modern'.
oh dear oh dear, I've been banging on about this for years...why oh why oh why does there have to be an overall single 'winner'?
Can't we have a 'modern' top recommendation and then an HIPP one as a back-up? So,
if the review were to be divided into 2 parts, we could have all the analysed modern A440-A442 performances together, and then all the lower pitched HIPP ones together. This would avoid the quite horrible 'pitch-lurching' when an extract from a modern recording is followed by an HIPP one that is a quarter-tone flatter and immediately sounds 'duller' and somehow out of tune.

Bah... bah... humbug... glad I've got that off my chest...!

[BBMmk2]

I think that might be a good idea that Ferney and Cali have raised/ Radio 3 should have a programme made in more detail about the finer points of work, illustrated with recordings that the programme has chosen.

[Barbirollians]

I somehow missed any mention of the Lupu/Segal performance... unfortunately I haven't heard it since I took part in the recording itself, in Kingsway Hall, London, well over 40 years ago.
At the time, I thought Lupu's playing was superb and (rather arrogantly) I made a mental note to 'watch' the career of that young Romanian pianist..! The rest is history.

RE: that old chestnut, HIPP versus 'modern'.
oh dear oh dear, I've been banging on about this for years...why oh why oh why does there have to be an overall single 'winner'?
Can't we have a 'modern' top recommendation and then an HIPP one as a back-up? So,
if the review were to be divided into 2 parts, we could have all the analysed modern A440-A442 performances together, and then all the lower pitched HIPP ones together. This would avoid the quite horrible 'pitch-lurching' when an extract from a modern recording is followed by an HIPP one that is a quarter-tone flatter and immediately sounds 'duller' and somehow out of tune.

Bah... bah... humbug... glad I've got that off my chest...!

It is a very fair point about pitch lurch . As for the also liked that is bizarre - his clear runner up was Gilels not mentioned on the site and then of the big names he said he liked Brendel and Perahia . An extract from Lupu was played but I did not hear him mention it again - though I confess I am also a fan of that record .

[akiralx]

There's a story about Geza Andas' recording of the 21st piano concerto. From the story I heard, Anda was horrified that his recording had been debased in such a crude way by being used as the soundtrack for a MOVIE! He contacted DG and, through his lawyer, expressed his displeasure and demanded that this blatant commercialisation cease immediately. He asked his lawyer if this could be grounds for cancelling his contract.

A friend of mine who sadly passed away a couple of years ago bought the Anda LP with the movie still cover of the actress - and assumed that the photo *was* Geza Anda... Every few months he would play the LP, hold the sleeve up to the light and marvel that such a beautiful young woman could play so well - and regretted that as a poor student who lived in Northern England he would never see her play live.

Quite a few years later he discovered that Anda was in fact giving a recital not too far away, and resolved to buy the best ticket he could afford. As he took his seat he was agog with seeing what she would look like now - she wouldn't be youthful, but surely still fabulous. Then a slim bespectacled, elegant, but very male pianist walked out on stage. He told me it took all his resolve not to stand up and shout 'That's not Geza Anda!'...

[Richard Tarleton]

[BBMmk2]

That made me laugh out loud too!! Many thanks, akairaix!!

[pastoralguy]

Fantastic!!!

[Barbirollians]

A friend of mine who sadly passed away a couple of years ago bought the Anda LP with the movie still cover of the actress - and assumed that the photo *was* Geza Anda... Every few months he would play the LP, hold the sleeve up to the light and marvel that such a beautiful young woman could play so well - and regretted that as a poor student who lived in Northern England he would never see her play live.

Quite a few years later he discovered that Anda was in fact giving a recital not too far away, and resolved to buy the best ticket he could afford. As he took his seat he was agog with seeing what she would look like now - she wouldn't be youthful, but surely still fabulous. Then a slim bespectacled, elegant, but very male pianist walked out on stage. He told me it took all his resolve not to stand up and shout 'That's not Geza Anda!'...

[verismissimo]

Does anyone know what fortepiano(s) is/are played in Jos van Immerseel's recordings of Mozart's piano concertos with his Anima Eterna band?

There is little info on that subject in the booklet I have, but I like the performances lots. What it says is 'Christopher Clarke after Walter'. More please!

[vinteuil]

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... I imagine it is a Christopher Clarke modern copy of an Anton Walther of c.1795

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Clarke_(Ma%C3%AEtre_d%27art)

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https://www.maitresdart.com/christopher_clarke-15/parcours_et_realisations.html

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Walter

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[Bryn]

Does anyone know what fortepiano(s) is/are played in Jos van Immerseel's recordings of Mozart's piano concertos with his Anima Eterna band?

There is little info on that subject in the booklet I have, but I like the performances lots. What it says is 'Christopher Clarke after Walter'. More please!

Very likely this.

Facsimile of an instrument by Anton Walter, Vienna, ca.1795-1800 (Nürnberg GNM), built in 1988 by Christopher Clarke, Cluny (number 17).

Description: 2,21m, five octaves, knee registers (forte, moderator, una corda), furniture in Cuba-mahogany.
Repertoire: Haydn, Mozart, Clementi, the young Beethoven and Schubert…
Particular: rich of overtones, great range, splendid colours.

[verismissimo]

Very likely this.

Many thanks Bryn (and vinty). What a beauty.