BaL 17.09.16 - Vivaldi: The Four Seasons

[Beef Oven!]

Glad we agree!

Hard not to.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

One swallow does not a summer make.

[underthecountertenor]

I get it. It's OK for the reviewer to make snide remarks about HvK, but it's not OK for me to challenge it.

I don't think you do get it. You didn't challenge what he said. You certainly didn't present a counter-argument to his clearly and persuasively argued objection to what HvK did. You just made an unpleasant, and completely unjustified, remark.

[Daniel]

I very rarely listen to BAL, just chanced on this one and came away feeling I'd like to hear more of the Adrian Chandler Serenissima version.

ME's descriptions and the samples he played certainly backed up and illuminated each other convincingly throughout the prog. I agree some of the criticisms were quite peppery, the HK comment was funny though. I thought the 1940's version with piano that opened the programme sounded so dated it almost sounded modern! It was a telling point for me about Nige K's intonation being so good, it hadn't really occurred to me before.

I have Carmignola, and may be tempted to add Adrian Chandler, though am also interested in versions that feature different soloists.

[Rue Dubac]

Now now, play nicely.
I switched on about fifteen minutes in, so will have to listen again, but it was a delightful and revelatory BaL. I have Loveday and Standage, one on LP but nothing to play it on, the other on cassette. Then I heard the Biondi recommended, possibly on RR when it was issued, bought it, and when I played it I could hardly believe it was the same music. Possibly the fault of my ears... Will now fish it out for another listen. I liked Nigel's first version, too.
Can someone remind me which was the recording/performance which began the work's revival, or did that emerge at the beginning of the programme?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

One swallow does not a summer make.

You gave the impression that you'd drunk the whole bottle, Alpie - not just taken a single swallow!

[jean]

...supercilious snivelling...

Surely you can't be both at the same time?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Surely you can't be both at the same time?

- that hadn't occurred to me!

[underthecountertenor]

Surely you can't be both at the same time?

Very good point, jean!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I don't think you do get it. You didn't challenge what he said. You certainly didn't present a counter-argument to his clearly and persuasively argued objection to what HvK did. You just made an unpleasant, and completely unjustified, remark.

I was referring to his supercilious/trying-to-be-clever tone - something that's increasingly common amongst some critics who like to assume a superior-to-the-musicians tone. He is, of course, perfectly entitled to express an opinion, but perhaps not in a way that portrays Mutter/Vienna Phil/Karajan as rather incompetent musicians.

Surely you can't be both at the same time?

I thought he managed to do both rather well.

You gave the impression that you'd drunk the whole bottle, Alpie - not just taken a single swallow!

I was referring to the selectivity of the Nigel Kennedy example to negate my argument.

[jean]

I was referring to his supercilious/trying-to-be-clever tone - something that's increasingly common amongst some critics who like to assume a superior-to-the-musicians tone.

Good.

Now explain snivelling, which I've never thought of as indicating feelings of superiority - rather the reverse!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Good. Now explain snivelling.

Oh, all right. Having looked it up in the OED, I concede that it was the wrong word.

[mikealdren]

Let's get back to the music................

I've just listened to the Campoli recording again, 1939 and 3 years before the 'first commercial recording' played this morning. It's really lovely playing (of course with this artist) and if it had a modern recording, it would still stand up well.

[visualnickmos]

Oh, all right. Having looked it up in the OED, I concede that it was the wrong word.

It might be the wrong word, but it sure does sound like the right one!

[Beef Oven!]

Well done everyone on derailing an excellent BaL thread.