BaL 18.06.16 - Mahler: Symphony no. 5

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  • Nimrod
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    • Mar 2012
    • 152

    #76
    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
    The omission of the Horn solo is far from a "minor orchestral flaw", though, isn't it? I have the "corrected" version on EMI STUDIO, and find it baffling how nobody noticed such a glaring error at the time!

    Interested to hear about the broadcast performance
    I always understood that to be an editing mistake on the part of EMI engineers when piecing together takes

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    • Petrushka
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      • Nov 2010
      • 12242

      #77
      Originally posted by Nimrod View Post
      I have an off-the-air Studio performance by JB and the Halle the movement timings of which are somewhat faster than his EMI recording; the overall time is no less than 9 minutes faster!! It's very exciting!!
      Is it worth getting the Barbirolli Society to issue as a CD? I count myself as a keen admirer of JB and his many recordings but the finale of the 5th is exasperatingly slow and loses all momentum as a result.
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • pastoralguy
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        • Nov 2010
        • 7746

        #78
        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
        Is it worth getting the Barbirolli Society to issue as a CD? I count myself as a keen admirer of JB and his many recordings but the finale of the 5th is exasperatingly slow and loses all momentum as a result.
        For me, I always find other versions rushed! Often, I find it an unseemly rush to the finishing line.

        I always remember a wise, older friend saying to me 'you may have forgotten your last lover but you NEVER forget your first!'

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        • visualnickmos
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          • Nov 2010
          • 3609

          #79
          Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
          For me, I always find other versions rushed! Often, I find it an unseemly rush to the finishing line.

          I always remember a wise, older friend saying to me 'you may have forgotten your last lover but you NEVER forget your first!'
          How very, very true - a lovely quote.

          Equally applicable, perhaps to 'your last lover' is 'an unseemly rush to the finishing line.'

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          • visualnickmos
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            • Nov 2010
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            #80
            I was very taken, with the brief but intense extract of Vaclav Neumann and the German orchestra.... I think it came a little after the Boulez extract, which although pinpoint accurate, did seem to sound over 'intellectualised' - a bit like Shakespeare with perfect enunciation... good, but is that what you want it to sound like?

            I have Neumann's recording of the 'Resurrection' with the CPO - and that is rather good - very good, actually.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #81
              The first lover may never be forgotten, but if there have been subsequent lovers, there must have been something wrong with it in the first place.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                #82
                Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                Boulez ... good, but is that what you want it to sound like?
                Yes.

                Very sad to hear that the expression "over 'intellectualised'" is thought to mean anything, by the way
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #83
                  AND who "forgets" their lovers, anyway? "Wise"? - "Emotionally retarded wishful-thinking", more like!
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • MrBear
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 44

                    #84
                    Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                    I was very taken, with the brief but intense extract of Vaclav Neumann and the German orchestra.... I think it came a little after the Boulez extract, which although pinpoint accurate, did seem to sound over 'intellectualised' - a bit like Shakespeare with perfect enunciation... good, but is that what you want it to sound like?

                    I have Neumann's recording of the 'Resurrection' with the CPO - and that is rather good - very good, actually.
                    I assume the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig is live as it has it moments, have this on Berlin classics

                    with this awful sleeve



                    yes BASICS not much in the way of info
                    also have 7th on Berlin classics which has a booklet but not info on recording either

                    Unfortunately my box of the Czech is miles away so cant compare

                    Yes I agree Neumanns Mahler
                    Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                    ...... is rather good - very good, actually.

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                    • visualnickmos
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3609

                      #85
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      The first lover may never be forgotten, but if there have been subsequent lovers, there must have been something wrong with it in the first place.
                      "Try before you buy" I suppose...

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                      • visualnickmos
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3609

                        #86
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Yes.

                        Very sad to hear that the expression "over 'intellectualised'" is thought to mean anything, by the way
                        A throw-away bit of verbage from me - I could have said something like - "overly analytical," etc, etc... sorry to make you sad!

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12242

                          #87
                          Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                          I was very taken, with the brief but intense extract of Vaclav Neumann and the German orchestra.... I think it came a little after the Boulez extract, which although pinpoint accurate, did seem to sound over 'intellectualised' - a bit like Shakespeare with perfect enunciation... good, but is that what you want it to sound like?

                          I have Neumann's recording of the 'Resurrection' with the CPO - and that is rather good - very good, actually.
                          Neumann recorded Mahler 5 with the Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra in 1966 and presumably that was the extract played (I didn't hear the programme). I have it on the Philips label. His later recording with the Czech Philharmonic from 1977 is a fine, forthright performance, qualities that are apparent in their Resurrection too. I got both very cheaply on the Supraphon Gem label many years ago and haven't played either for absolutely ages.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • DracoM
                            Host
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 12965

                            #88
                            Yes agree. Neumann a revelation.

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                            • Barbirollians
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11673

                              #89
                              Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                              Yes agree. Neumann a revelation.
                              Another not discussed but which has given me a great deal of pleasure over the years is the RLPO/Mackerras account .

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20570

                                #90
                                At noon today, I set off for York and popped the VPO/Bernstein winning CD in the player. Even better than I remembered
                                it, and a worthy winner.

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