BaL 30.04.16 - Schubert: Piano Trio no. 2 in E flat D.929

**vinteuil** · 22-04-16, 07:33

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

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Stefano Barneschi, Paolo Beschi, Federica Valli

Great list Alpie, many thanks. Great work, too...

The Trio above [Barneschi, Beschi, Valli] is 'la Gaia Scienza' - and one of my favourites.

Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00000AFOH

**CallMePaul** · 22-04-16, 07:38

This is my preference of the two Schubert trios. I have (on CD although I now note that it appears to be download only) the Beths/ Bylsma/ van Immerseel performance; I feel that Schubert more than, say, Beethoven works best with the intimacy of a performance on period instruments (most of his works were written for private rather than public performance). Looking at the full list I cannot say how many others are HIPP but I hope that choosing a pianist as reviewer will not lead to the neglect of HIPP recordings as has sometimes happened in the past.

**gurnemanz** · 22-04-16, 08:07

Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

Great list Alpie, many thanks. Great work, too...

The Trio above [Barneschi, Beschi, Valli] is 'la Gaia Scienza' - and one of my favourites.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00000AFOH

I don't know The Gaia Scienza version but see it was David Fanning's "Period Instrument Choice" in 2001. 1st choice was Yuuko Shiokawa, Miklós Perényi, András Schiff with Borodin Trio 2nd. I have the Beaux Arts and historic Oistrakh Trio - dodgy sound but worth hearing.

**Barbirollians** · 22-04-16, 23:49

No Casals Thibaud Cortot of the E Flat - their B Flat is quite stupendous .

**verismissimo** · 29-04-16, 13:37

What a great work. Listening with pleasure to the only version I have on CD - two Busches and Serkin, well-recorded in 1935.

**aeolium** · 30-04-16, 09:37

Originally posted by verismissimo View Post

What a great work. Listening with pleasure to the only version I have on CD - two Busches and Serkin, well-recorded in 1935.

....which came in for significant praise in this morning's BaL, and rightly so imv.

I thought it was a pretty good survey, even though IB had to work with a seriously whittled down selection. There were quite a lot of varied extracts, and IB provided a good introduction to the music. There were perhaps fewer extracts from period-instrument recordings than I expected, but the reasons he gave for his choices were plausible. I have the Schiff recording and it was great to hear that music which Schubert omitted from the final published version on the insistence of his publisher. When I first heard it, in a concert performance, I thought - "What on earth's going on?!" but I now look forward to performances where that music is included.

As an aside, can anyone more knowledgeable about Schubert's use of tonality than me - that is, probably most people on this board - explain IB's phrase "B minor, Schubert's key of mortality"?

**makropulos** · 30-04-16, 09:50

Originally posted by aeolium View Post

....which came in for significant praise in this morning's BaL, and rightly so imv.

I thought it was a pretty good survey, even though IB had to work with a seriously whittled down selection. There were quite a lot of varied extracts, and IB provided a good introduction to the music. There were perhaps fewer extracts from period-instrument recordings than I expected, but the reasons he gave for his choices were plausible. I have the Schiff recording and it was great to hear that music which Schubert omitted from the final published version on the insistence of his publisher. When I first heard it, in a concert performance, I thought - "What on earth's going on?!" but I now look forward to performances where that music is included.

As an aside, can anyone more knowledgeable about Schubert's use of tonality than me - that is, probably most people on this board - explain IB's phrase "B minor, Schubert's key of mortality"?

I agree - a very good survey and plenty of interesting comment on the music as well as the performances.
Re your aside - I think IB was probably alluding to the Unfinished Symphony?

**Richard Barrett** · 30-04-16, 10:10

Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post

I don't know The Gaia Scienza version but see it was David Fanning's "Period Instrument Choice" in 2001.

It's been my Period Instrument Choice - ie. my choice - since it came out. I'm really not interested in listening to Schubert on "modern instruments", especially chamber and piano music; it seems to me that Schubert was intimately involved with the specific sound-quality and texture of the instruments he used, to a far greater extent than Beethoven for example.

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 30-04-16, 10:45

Originally posted by makropulos View Post

I agree - a very good survey and plenty of interesting comment on the music as well as the performances.
Re your aside - I think IB was probably alluding to the Unfinished Symphony?

Possibly - but, like his references to Schubert "tearing up the rule book" in matters of structure, I think these were just careless "throwaways" that spoiled an otherwise excellent survey.

**BBMmk2** · 30-04-16, 11:03

Ashkenazy, Zukerman, Harrell, not there?

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 30-04-16, 11:25

Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post

Ashkenazy, Zukerman, Harrell, not there?

Not in the final running - but mentioned in passing with an illustration of Harrell's playing of the opening of the slow movement. (A bit too "soulful" too early in the movement for my taste.)

**Rue Dubac** · 30-04-16, 12:28

Yes. IB seemed to think Harrell too "lush". I am very fond of Trio Wanderer, they have done some delightful Haydn piano trios, too, and a joyous Trout Quintet, would have to look up who the other players were. Almost as good as l.p. with Beaux Arts trio, and "filler"(!) of Hermann Prey singing the song. I have looked for it on CD in vain, and if anyone knows if it was ever transferred, I would love to be told.
I found it a most illuminating programme, and an interesting range, given the enormous choice available. I already have the Braley-Capucons version, but...

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 30-04-16, 12:38

Originally posted by Rue Dubac View Post

Almost as good as l.p. with Beaux Arts trio, and "filler"(!) of Hermann Prey singing the song. I have looked for it on CD in vain, and if anyone knows if it was ever transferred, I would love to be told.

This is the LP, in its last vinyl release, RueD:

Just a moment...

https://www.discogs.com/Franz-Schubert-Beaux-Arts-Trio-Samuel-Rhodes-Georg-H%C3%B6rtnagel-Hermann-Prey-Leonard-Hokanson-Forellen/release/6195277

The CD version lacks the song coupling, replacing it with Beethoven's Ghost Trio:

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trout-Quintet-Piano-Schubert-Beaux/dp/B00004SMXD

... a wee bit pricey new!

Alternatively, at a better New price, and with Mozart Clar5tet as alternative coupling:

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mozart-Clarinet-Quintet-Schubert-Trout/dp/B0000AINGD

**Rue Dubac** · 30-04-16, 14:00

Thank you, ferneyhoughgelibte. I knew someone around here would know! I think my vinyl is 1970s, possibly somewhat scratched by now... A shame they dropped Prey and the song, I suppose wanting something longer for the CD. You are right, the version with the Ghost Trio is expensive, though tempting... Already have the Mozart clarinet one, I think. I could probably find Prey's Die Forelle elsewhere.

BaL 30.04.16 - Schubert: Piano Trio no. 2 in E flat D.929

BaL 30.04.16 - Schubert: Piano Trio no. 2 in E flat D.929

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