BaL 12.03.16 - Rachmaninoff: Symphony no. 3 in A minor

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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
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    #16
    I generally make my first search via Presto Classical, which is run by people who know what they're talking about.

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    • HighlandDougie
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Originally posted by slarty View Post
      my favorite performance is Sanderling and the Berlin PO in a live concert from 1992.
      Not the BPO but this recent box:



      contains a live performance from 1994 (in excellent NDR sound) with the NDR Symphony Orchestra - and very good it is too. The box set was/is a lot cheaper in France than in the UK but contains some excellent performances, not least his later Berlin SO Brahms cycle.

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      • Stanfordian
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        • Dec 2010
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        #18
        Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
        Not the BPO but this recent box:



        contains a live performance from 1994 (in excellent NDR sound) with the NDR Symphony Orchestra - and very good it is too. The box set was/is a lot cheaper in France than in the UK but contains some excellent performances, not least his later Berlin SO Brahms cycle.
        Hiya HighlandDougie,

        My word you got this Sanderling box quickly.

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        • Nick Armstrong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 26575

          #19
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          I generally make my first search via Presto Classical, which is run by people who know what they're talking about.
          (Friends and family now know to get me Presto Classical vouchers not amazon, for that reason - plus the superior download service)
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Pulcinella
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            • Feb 2014
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            #20
            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            I generally make my first search via Presto Classical, which is run by people who know what they're talking about.
            They also graciously welcome corrections to their website.

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            • cloughie
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              • Dec 2011
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              #21
              Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
              Not the BPO but this recent box:



              contains a live performance from 1994 (in excellent NDR sound) with the NDR Symphony Orchestra - and very good it is too. The box set was/is a lot cheaper in France than in the UK but contains some excellent performances, not least his later Berlin SO Brahms cycle.
              £32.74 from amazon.fr

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              • HighlandDougie
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                • Nov 2010
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                #22
                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                Hiya HighlandDougie,

                My word you got this Sanderling box quickly.
                Hi Stanfordian

                I'm not sure why it has taken so long in the UK but I see that I got it here in France last November, for about £22. Anyway, the Rach 3 is excellent - fine playing by what was Gunter Wand's orchestra and excellent engineering.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #23
                  What a magnificent work this is!

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    What a magnificent work this is!
                    Indeed it is. I always get fresh pleasure from its unique, dark glamour, it seems original and exhilarating (in my mind, I always contrast it with his last piano concerto which always sounds to me like a tired re-tread). I must look and see which recordings I have - quite a few. No one's commented on Ashkenazy's recording - its always a thrill for me when I go back to that set for his energetic readings and Concertgebouw sonic splendour I love the Jansons/St Petersburg performance too.

                    I really need to hear the Jurowski/LPO, amazed I haven't
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • rauschwerk
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #25
                      Robert Simpson was not impressed in 1967:-

                      "...neatly and economically composed, showing a refined taste, but without spur, written when the composer's creative urge was at last leaving him." Perhaps he had never heard a really gripping performance? Many critics looked down on Rachmaninov in those days!

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post
                        Robert Simpson was not impressed in 1967:-

                        "...neatly and economically composed, showing a refined taste, but without spur, written when the composer's creative urge was at last leaving him." Perhaps he had never heard a really gripping performance? Many critics looked down on Rachmaninov in those days!
                        He should have listened to Svetlanov or Kletzki!

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #27
                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          He should have listened to Svetlanov or Kletzki!
                          It wouldn't be unprecedented for Simpson to base his opinion on a reading of the score, rather than any experience of hearing it in a concert/broadcast/recording. He is remarkably good - often astonishingly so - when discussing his enthusiasms, but his prejudices create a blinkered attitude towards Music (essential to the production of his own Music, perhaps). This is true of most of us, of course, but few of us get to vent our restricted spleens in popular print - Simpson wrote at a time when such entertaining prejudice was valued, and it is a shame that he didn't have an editor with his better interests in mind to tell him that such comments would stain his critical reputation in years to come.

                          At the same time, Simpson isn't "looking down on Rachmaninov" - the fact that he speaks of a "creative urge ... at last leaving him", suggests that he acknowledged that there had been such a "spur" previously; and his comments on the First Symphony in the same article are fulsome in praise and admiration. I think his attitude to writing about Music is summed up in the concluding sentence of his Introduction to that book:

                          If anything in [these essays] make [the reader] cross, let us hope it will sharpen his enthusiasm as well as his temper.
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Lento
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                            • Jan 2014
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            What a magnificent work this is!
                            1st mvt recap takes some beating!

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                            • Nick Armstrong
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              He should have listened to Svetlanov or Kletzki!
                              ... so should I! And I already love the thing!
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • muzzer
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                                • Nov 2013
                                • 1194

                                #30
                                OT a touch but recommendations for R boxes/collections? I have Ashkenazy/concertgebouw, Jansons/petersburg, and the Brilliant edition.

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