BaL 27.02.16 - Mozart: Requiem Mass in D minor K.626

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I would refer forumites back to the very moving Tales from the Stave on iplayer radio . There an interesting point is made , I think by the Austrian contributor that he believes there is quite a lot of Mozart in Sussmayr's work on the requiem because Sussmayr's never wrote anything else of similar quality . I have never heard any of Sussmayr's other work - anyone heard some?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b052j0v0

[Pulcinella]

I'm confused, which is not unusual!
Of the three commercial recordings on the shelves, both the Marriner (ASMF) and Welser-Möst (LPO) specifically say Beyer edition.
The Hickox (Northern Sinfonia; soloists are Yvonne Kenny, Alfreda Hodgson, Arthur Daves, and Gwynne Howell, if Alpie still has any strength in him to add to the list) has minimal notes, and does not mention an edition.

The BBC Music Magazine CD (BBCSO/Belohlavek, with Kate Royal, Karen Cargill, Robert Murray, and Matthew Rose) also says it is the 1971 Beyer edition that is used.

Am I misunderstanding the distinctions in Alpie's list, as I don't see just Beyer featuring?

[Bryn]

I'm confused, which is not unusual!
Of the three commercial recordings on the shelves, both the Marriner (ASMF) and Welser-Möst (LPO) specifically say Beyer edition.
The Hickox (Northern Sinfonia; soloists are Yvonne Kenny, Alfreda Hodgson, Arthur Daves, and Gwynne Howell, if Alpie still has any strength in him to add to the list) has minimal notes, and does not mention an edition.

The BBC Music Magazine CD (BBCSO/Belohlavek, with Kate Royal, Karen Cargill, Robert Murray, and Matthew Rose) also says it is the 1971 Beyer edition that is used.

Am I misunderstanding the distinctions in Alpie's list, as I don't see just Beyer featuring?

Indeed, and the HCRL edition might better be described as Eybler/Süssmayr/Robins Landon. As it happen, I prefer the HCLR edition to the 'raw' Süssmayr.

[cloughie]

You deserve a raise

Definitely a hats off to you, Alpie - I don't think I'd have the diligence to list all those soloists!

[french frank]

Isn't there a sketch of the opening phrase in Mozart's hand?

Not an answer, but the Gardiner/Baroque Soloists version I have came with a complete booklet with the the 'Bärenreiter Urtext' miniature score and some notes which I haven't looked at again in full. The miniature gives the Hostias as the last section marked 'Mozart und Süssmayr' until the Communio, marked 'Süssmayr, nach Mozart Introitus und Kyrie'. So the sections in between, from the Sanctus, are just marked Süssmayr.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Not an answer, but the Gardiner/Baroque Soloists version I have came with a complete booklet with the the 'Bärenreiter Urtext' miniature score and some notes which I haven't looked at again in full. The miniature gives the Hostias as the last section marked 'Mozart und Süssmayr' until the Communio, marked 'Süssmayr, nach Mozart Introitus und Kyrie'. So the sections in between, from the Sanctus, are just marked Süssmayr.

My Philharmonia miniature score distinguished bits are written by Mozart (marked with an M), and which are written by Süssmayr (marked with an S). Of course the Lux Aeterna reprises the music of the opening chorus, but whether W.A.M. would have done this is debatable.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

My Philharmonia miniature score distinguished bits are written by Mozart (marked with an M), and which are written by Süssmayr (marked with an S).

The DOVER edition does this, too.

Of course the Lux Aeterna reprises the music of the opening chorus, but whether W.A.M. would have done this is debatable.

A neat solution under the circumstances, I think.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

A neat solution under the circumstances, I think.

Indeed, it is. Bach did the same in his B minor Mass.

A completion of the Mozart C Minor Mass - one I played in as a student - does the same, but I've never come across this version since. It's the only version of the work I know that has more than just the Kyrie in the named key!! It works well.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Indeed, it is. Bach did the same in his B minor Mass.

- and as a pun to end the Magnificat (at the words "as it was in the beginning")

A completion of the Mozart C Minor Mass - one I played in as a student - does the same, but I've never come across this version since. It's the only version of the work I know that has more than just the Kyrie in the named key!! It works well.

Is that the Aloys Schmitt version from the end of the 19th Century - that ends with an Agnus Dei in c minor; and is the basis of JEGgers' recording (now on DECCA, presumably one of his PHILLIPs recordings)?

Some copies on Amazon (including one in Welsh should you so wish!) and as an ismlp download to view:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Mass_in_C_minor,_K.427/417a_(Mozart,_Wolfgang_Amadeus)

EDIT: Oh. The Amazon link isn't working unless I also give my account details to the world. It's easily found under a Search - Books; Mozart, aloys schmitt, c minor mass.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Ferney, that's it. I've been looking for it for years. You are now my best friend in the world.




The bad news is that the Agnus Dei is still omitted in the Gardiner recording.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Pity about the Gardiner, but really glad I could help out, Alpie.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You couldn't let go of my leg, now, could you.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You couldn't let go of my leg, now, could you.

I'm a cat, not a dog.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Some of the extensions to Sussmayr's Hosannas sound rather contrived to me.

[aeolium]

Many thanks for another heroic research effort, EA.

I think this Gresham lecture by the late lamented Christopher Hogwood is worth hearing (from about half an hour in, discussing the Mozart Requiem). The brief Q&A session is also worth hearing:

http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/fakes-completions-and-the-art-of-borrowing

It's a pity that CH did not give a complete lecture on the completions of the work, which would have been interesting for discussions about the non-Mozart sections.

I have never been enamoured of the Sussmayr completion and always felt an indefinable sense of disappointment at how the work progressed after the wonderful opening movements. For that reason I don't go to concerts where the Sussmayr version is programmed and never choose to listen to that version on CD (at least, beyond the Lacrimosa). I'm always interested in completions by others, but all of them have the problem that the composer of the added sections is not Mozart - at least with the Mahler 10th symphony performing versions there is a lot of Mahler in the unfinished movements.

This will be an incredibly difficult BaL, not just because of the number of recordings but because of the issues surrounding the different completions.