BaL 23.01.16 - Debussy: Trois Nocturnes

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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    #61
    ...yes, and in his last five were also the Czech Phil (Fournet) and National Orchestra of Lyon (Markl).

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    • Nick Armstrong
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      • Nov 2010
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      #62
      Only just caught up with this BAL which I found an absorbing listen.

      On the shelves I find I have Dutoit and RF de Burgos, in CD form, neither of which got a mention I think and I also have a few 'first two only' recordings - the Fürtwangler mentioned by anton, and (in download form) Cantelli and my favourite, Monteux.

      Personally, I'm happy with only the first two nocturnes. Old Claude-Achille isn't central to my musical existence (sorry HighlandD! mais... 18 versions?! T'es sérieux??? )... and I confess that, in general, I give 'wordless choruses' a very wide berth, so to be honest can do without the third nocturne.

      Just listening to the Abbado/Berlin on iTunes music - Nuages is seductive, more so than Monteux... But I do find Fêtes a bit too splashy and 'big band / soft focus' ... The LSO with Monteux have this movement to perfection, for me. And listening again to Sirènes - yup, I can take 'em or leave 'em

      Now the recording that really caught my ear in this BAL was Paray/Detroit, as advocated above by richardfinegold. And so thanks to the wonders of iTunes Music, that is playing now as I type. Fantastic.

      Anyway - I shan't be buying any others, I don't think. If I need these pieces on the move, I have Monteux; and at home, they're all available anyway!
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Nick Armstrong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 26611

        #63
        UPDATE: the Paray/Detroit Fêtes is a KNOCKOUT!!!
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          #64
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          UPDATE: the Paray/Detroit Fêtes is a KNOCKOUT!!!
          I'm listening to this from Apple Music through Airport/Naim. Do have the CD, or are you streaming?

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          • Alison
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            • Nov 2010
            • 6499

            #65
            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
            I played my CD of the Haitink yesterday and thought it was head and shoulders above the Abbado BPO (which I listened to a couple of times last week).
            Spot on Beef

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            • Nick Armstrong
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              • Nov 2010
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              #66
              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              I'm listening to this from Apple Music through Airport/Naim. Do have the CD, or are you streaming?
              I'm listening to this from Apple Music through Airport/Naim
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Beef Oven!
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                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #67
                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                Spot on Beef
                Agreed

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                • Beef Oven!
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                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  I'm listening to this from Apple Music through Airport/Naim
                  Good call on fetes, Cali

                  A very interesting Sirenes, too.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    Good call on fetes, Cali

                    A very interesting Sirenes, too.
                    The Daphnis & Chloë on the same page is fab too.

                    I think I might be about to enter into a hardcore 'Paray/Detroit Symphony' phase. It's just exactly as I like my French orchestral music played and recorded.

                    Richardfinegold, feel free to join in the fan frenzy!! (I remember we spoke about this combo when we had supper in London, and your enthusiasm - better late than never for me!)

                    But there's an oddity. On my 'iTunes Music' page for this music, we appear from the content to be listening to this album:



                    However, the iTunes illustration is of a different album, and bears no relation to the pieces:



                    And that latter album, I can't find on iTunes Music, can you Beefy? I'd love to listen to the Paray/Detroit 'Mother Goose Suite'....
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • teamsaint
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      The Daphnis & Chloë on the same page is fab too.

                      I think I might be about to enter into a hardcore 'Paray/Detroit Symphony' phase. It's just exactly as I like my French orchestral music played and recorded.

                      Richardfinegold, feel free to join in the fan frenzy!! (I remember we spoke about this combo when we had supper in London, and your enthusiasm - better late than never for me!)

                      But there's an oddity. On my 'iTunes Music' page for this music, we appear from the content to be listening to this album:



                      However, the iTunes illustration is of a different album, and bears no relation to the pieces:



                      And that latter album, I can't find on iTunes Music, can you Beefy? I'd love to listen to the Paray/Detroit 'Mother Goose Suite'....
                      same shambles on Spotty, if it makes you feel any better, Cals.

                      Edit: I think some of that Last album is on youtube, but can't see the Mother Goose anywhere.
                      Last edited by teamsaint; 31-01-16, 23:32.
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                      • jayne lee wilson
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                        • Jul 2011
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                        #71
                        The Mercury CDs are very hard to find now, but if you want to hear why Wilma Cozart, Robert Fine, Harold Lawrence, Dennis Drake went to all that trouble - restoring the Westrex, the Ampex, matching the equalization curve exactly before mastering the CDs..... THIS will tell you why -



                        ....you see, it's partly because of low-rate streaming that the CDs are either unavailable or highly-priced and prized... so come on, it isn't much to pay to hear why "beauty is truth, truth beauty..."

                        Thank GOD for lossless and hi-res downloads - and the people like Qobuz who care enough to make them available...

                        Lots of Paray goodies here http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search?q=...ray&i=boutique, and some in 24-bit for a pittance, though the sources for the BnF transfers remain obscure...! (quality seems (very) variable - Bizet Suites say 24-bit Stereo but they're... mono - but Beethoven 1&2 highly recommended...stick to the Mercurys unless you like to gamble...).

                        ....a lot of the French rep in one go, save the Debussy....http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/pau...894756268#item
                        ...of which the Ravel, Chausson and extraordinary (stereo!) Bizet suites are the true unmissables....
                        Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-02-16, 02:09.

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                        • Nick Armstrong
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          The Mercury CDs are very hard to find now...

                          Thank GOD for lossless and hi-res downloads
                          Oh yes indeed - I shall be getting my lossless downloads of the Debussy, from my usual source Prestoclassical (still got lots of lovely gift token lolly left from Christmas )... and incidentally, they also make them available as 'Presto CD's under licence (not sure how good that is, but I'm not interested anyway).

                          I tend to use streaming to work out what I really want; then get the download if possible.



                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          Or all the French rep in one go, save the Debussy....
                          ... and save the elusive Mother Goose Suite, which I can't see on Qobuz, Prestoclassical or elsewhere

                          .

                          Afterthought: I wonder what their Schumann Symphonies are like! Do you know those recordings?
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • jayne lee wilson
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                            • Jul 2011
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                            #73
                            Yes.. Ma Mere l'oye often gets missed, catalogued under... Debussy...

                            Debussy: La Mer, Iberia & Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune. Mercury Living Presence: 4343432. Buy Presto CD online. Detroit Symphony Orchestra, Paul Paray


                            Strange it's not in the Mercury 5-album collection though.

                            Another one of the very best not in the French Collection....!

                            The Roussel is in-your-room physically, & musically stunning as well!
                            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-02-16, 02:22.

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                            • Nick Armstrong
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #74
                              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                              Yes.. Ma Mere l'oye often gets missed, catalogued under... Debussy...

                              Debussy: La Mer, Iberia & Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune. Mercury Living Presence: 4343432. Buy Presto CD online. Detroit Symphony Orchestra, Paul Paray


                              Strange it's not in the Mercury 5-album collection though.

                              Another one of the very best not in the collection....!

                              The Roussel is musically stunning as well!
                              But that Presto listing, which I'd seen, omits Ma mère l'oye (even though it shows on the photo of the original LP cover). And that disc - with or without the Ravel - isn't available as a download...

                              I'm a bit of a Chabrier fan, so that second disc you cite is a distinct temptation, too..... (Presto lossless download available!)....

                              And any thoughts on the Schumann symphonies?
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • richardfinegold
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                                • Sep 2012
                                • 7880

                                #75
                                I've had the Paray collections in my possession for many years, so I didn't realize that they have gotten somewhat difficult to obtain. I most recently reacquired them when I bought the big Mercury reissue boxes, after owning them in previous CD
                                And lp incarnations. The big box collection appears to be the the only way to purchase them on disc at the moment

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