Probably a bit late to ask this question as this thread is now ancient history in BaL terms but I've just listened to this programme again and Nicholas Baragwanath spoke highly of (and played an extract from) the recording by Frans Brüggen and the Orchestra of the 18th Century. Does anyone know which of the Brüggen/O of 18thc recordings he was referring to/played? 2011 on Glossa or 1991 on Philips (now Decca).
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Cant answer that one, sorry - but the later Bruggen does have some sonic problems: it is generally a little recessed and less than ideally defined....Originally posted by Darloboy View Post
The earlier Bruggen 5th is wonderful, a great favourite here. At least until.....
This changes everything....
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/fa.../l78wkka5z6cac
There is another Harnoncourt 5th in the new ICA Live Boxset with the COE from Graz, 2007.... will hear it soon...Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-11-21, 21:53.Comment
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Thanks, I'll give the 2011 Harnoncourt a listen!Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostComment
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I can't comment on the Beethoven, but I've just been catching up with the handful of Haydn symphonies that Harnoncourt recorded with his Concentus Musicus Wien in the 90s....they are marvellous, a real big band sound.Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostComment
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The 100 and 101 (from 1999 and 2004) in the new COE Live ICA box are remarkable too.... such freshness and excitement...! Unmissable.Originally posted by MickyD View Post
Just started on the 2007 Beethoven 5th in there..... very quick and very alive indeed, perhaps the fastest and leanest of the 4 (?) Harnoncourt 5ths extant..... more on this later...Comment
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Look forward to it - after last year’s Schubert cycle was my personal record of the year, even though I own one of his earlier (actually later) cycles. I’m looking forward to this box.Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostComment
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What's interesting about the Haydn symphonies I've been listening to is that they are early and middle period works.Comment
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Have you heard the Beethoven 5th in the Farewell from Zurich concert? For me it inhabits a world beyond all others...Originally posted by Goon525 View PostComment
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Not yet, Jayne, but I consider myself nudged!Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostComment
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I went to an Aurora orchestra performance complete with an interesting Tom Service commentary. The performance was splendid and the orchestra played the last movement as an encore but spread themselves throughout the auditorium which was even more thrilling than the performance itself.Comment
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What a fantastic idea! Now that does make sense of, and reward, their memorising...Comment
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With all this talk of Harnoncourt, I’m surprised he never suggested Beethoven 4-6 were conceived by the composer as a single work, performable with interval at the end of the Scherzo in no. 5.
I have Barbirolli’s recording, which isn’t one of his best, but it reminds me of the first time I heard it in the King’s Hall, Belle Vue, Manchester. It filled the second half of the concert. The first half was truly memorable: David Oistrakh playing Beethoven’s Violin Concerto!Comment
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5-6-7 would work much better surely?Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostWith all this talk of Harnoncourt, I’m surprised he never suggested Beethoven 4-6 were conceived by the composer as a single work, performable with interval at the end of the Scherzo in no. 5.
I have Barbirolli’s recording, which isn’t one of his best, but it reminds me of the first time I heard it in the King’s Hall, Belle Vue, Manchester. It filled the second half of the concert. The first half was truly memorable: David Oistrakh playing Beethoven’s Violin Concerto!Comment
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Cattivo, maestro, cattivo.....Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostWith all this talk of Harnoncourt, I’m surprised he never suggested Beethoven 4-6 were conceived by the composer as a single work, performable with interval at the end of the Scherzo in no. 5.
I have Barbirolli’s recording, which isn’t one of his best, but it reminds me of the first time I heard it in the King’s Hall, Belle Vue, Manchester. It filled the second half of the concert. The first half was truly memorable: David Oistrakh playing Beethoven’s Violin Concerto!
4-6 could easily be read or understood as a deeply spiritual trilogy, but.... don't get me started....
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One could adapt the program(me ) from Schoenberg's Piano Concerto....
With two live Harnoncourt 5ths just out, from 2007 (COE) and 2011 (Philharmonia Zurich) just released, there's plenty to be getting on with....!
The latter is beyond compare, beggars description etc......a 5th from the other side, a memento mori when Harnoncourt was already unwell.......
The coupling with the Mozart K361.....
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It is clear that he had a very close bond with the Beethoven 5th (which is after all symphonically, culturally and "mythically" seminal in every sense).
His readings (always with all scherzo and finale repeats, which I simply cannot do without, controversial or not... subjectively or not, the scherzo/trio and its stunningly tense and intense intro-finale consequences (the lead-in to the outburst, the scherzo return in the finale etc) only really make sense with that repeat) are extraordinarily searching....and whilst they have some similarities, every reading is strikingly different....Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 05-11-21, 02:05.Comment
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