The winning version was one that remained on my wanted list for 40 years, but I felt I could justify yet another version. Fortunately it was in the Vienna Philharmonic DG Symphony Box.
BaL 2.01.16 - Beethoven: Symphony no. 5 in C minor
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostI just meant that there doesn't seem to be the level of interested generated by the Eroica Symphony review. By this time on the review day of that work, we had had over 150 posts, and they were coming in thick and fast.
http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ica-quot/page8
And, whilst I can't blame everything today on the Lagavulin, I seem to have missed out a sentence I thought I'd included in my last post: I meant to add that I thought the reviewer handled an enormous task fairly - generally (a couple of points aside) he made clear distinctions between objective facts and subjective opinions, and kept this focus throughout. A good start to Record Review[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostI thought the reviewer handled an enormous task fairly - generally (a couple of points aside) he made clear distinctions between objective facts and subjective opinions, and kept this focus throughout. A good start to Record Review
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the HIP performances he favoured
There aren't that many to choose from!
In Gunther Schuller's book 'The Compleat Conductor' ALL the HIP versions are slagged off, and in particular that of The Hanover Band whose performance ( not 'conducted' but 'led' from the first violin/ leader chair by Monica Huggett) he gets very close to calling 'fraudulent'... primarily on account of its claim to observe the metronome marks - which it doesn't(!)
In my performing career as a horn player I have played on several recordings of this symphony:
LSO / Previn
ECO / Tilson Thomas
LCP/ Norrington
AAM / Hogwood
and it was this latter ( AAM/ Hogwood) that I enjoyed the most., closely followed by Norrington and then Tilson Thomas.
After the very slow Previn interpretation I found myself hoping and wondering whether the wonderful Mr AP would hopefully have an opportunity to record it again, hopefully somewhat faster in its 1st movement. I don't know whether that ever happened....Last edited by Tony Halstead; 02-01-16, 19:23.
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I suspect EA that the reason is that unlike Nicholas Kenyon's choice for the Eroica the VPO/ Kleiber is one of those rare classics of the Gramophone that very few question as being one of the very finest recordings of a piece - I suspect most forumites listened this morning and although they may gave quibbled with much of what the reviewer said when it came to the winner the response was " fair enough"
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostI just meant that there doesn't seem to be the level of interested generated by the Eroica Symphony review. By this time on the review day of that work, we had had over 150 posts, and they were coming in thick and fast.
http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...ica-quot/page8
Edit: And by the by, AAM Hogwood, a fairly recent Johnny come lately set as far as I'm concerned, is my current fave.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostFor me, I simply did not find it as interesting as the Eroica Bal. I prefer HIP performances anyway, and I got the sense that these weren't favoured. Finally, a traditional, dare I say predictable, winner. The Karajan bashing also gave it a sense of a 'traditional template' assessment.
Edit: And by the by, AAM Hogwood, a fairly recent Johnny come lately set as far as I'm concerned, is my current fave.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThe winning version was one that remained on my wanted list for 40 years, but I felt I could justify yet another version. Fortunately it was in the Vienna Philharmonic DG Symphony Box.Don’t cry for me
I go where music was born
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Originally posted by Tony View PostWhich ones did he favour?
There aren't that many to choose from!
In Gunther Schuller's book 'The Compleat Conductor' ALL the HIP versions are slagged off, and in particular that of The Hanover Band whose performance ( not 'conducted' but 'led' from the first violin/ leader chair by Monica Huggett) he gets very close to calling 'fraudulent'... primarily on account of its claim to observe the metronome marks - which it doesn't(!)
In my performing career as a horn player I have played on several recordings of this symphony:
LSO / Previn
ECO / Tilson Thomas
LCP/ Norrington
AAM / Hogwood
and it was this latter ( AAM/ Hogwood) that I enjoyed the most., closely followed by Norrington and then Tilson Thomas.
After the very slow Previn interpretation I found myself hoping and wondering whether the wonderful Mr AP would hopefully have an opportunity to record it again, hopefully somewhat faster in its 1st movement. I don't know whether that ever happened....
It's pleasing, in a totally subjective way, to hear that you as a performer enjoyed playing on the Hogwood and Norrington sets most. Knowing this, will undoubtably reinforce my enjoyment when I listen to these sets next
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post. The Karajan bashing...
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Originally posted by silvestrione View PostYes, I thoroughly enjoyed this BAL and look forward to lsitening again to the winner soon, and to the extraordinary Furtwangler in its entirety. However, the only thing that jarred was the dismissal of Karajan (the extract once again did not seem to bear out the critical comments) and the lumping together of Klemperer with Karajan and somebody else for a broad-brush dismissal at some other point. Klemperer was chosen by Trevor Harvey (not that I was 'there') and was a runner-up when Richard Osborne did it later (I was there for that!).
The lumping together and broad-brush dismissal is part of a house-style IMV, that is not very vigorous and throws up too many sacred cows like Kleiber's LvB 5.
On another thread there's been praise for R3s 'new music' approach with La Monte Young, Stockhausen et al, saying it's more like what R3 should be doing. Sadly for me, this LvB 5 Bal militated against that endeavour.
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Originally posted by Tony View Post........After the very slow Previn interpretation I found myself hoping and wondering whether the wonderful Mr AP would hopefully have an opportunity to record it again, hopefully somewhat faster in its 1st movement. I don't know whether that ever happened....
The previous LSO version was recorded at Kingsway [as reported above in #26 by Tony] on 10-11th January 1973 and seems not to have been issued on CD by EMI but it was issued on CD by Disky in November 1996 as ROY 70114.2 and again in October 2001 on TRA003 but neither of these appear to be available.Last edited by Gordon; 03-01-16, 16:28.
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