BaL 1.03.25 - Liszt: Totentanz

[richardfinegold]

I was struck also today by Mark Pullinger referring to Gergiev's recordings of a piece in Gramophone as recommendable, somehow the piece escapes me , and my immediate thought is that I wouldn't touch a recording by Putin's man who has been sent into land conquered as in South Ossetia - in a million years .[/QUOTE]

Images of Furtwangler conducting in occupied Paris come to mind.
There are also memoirs from artists in the past-frequently singers- who allege that storied conductors of the past abused their power and attempted sexual coercion.
How many famous movie films throughout history have featured actors that were coerced sexually by higher ups?
At same point we have to acknowledge that humans are imperfect, and that individuals with power will attempt to exploit it.

[oliver sudden]

Images of Furtwangler conducting in occupied Paris come to mind.

He didn’t though, did he?

[Barbirollians]

He didn’t though, did he?

That;s what I thought that he only conducted in Germany and Austria during the war ?

He refused to conduct in France - according to Wikipedia - but did conduct in Prague twice - but The Moldau and Dvorak 9 apparently.

[Alison]

I’ve rarely warmed to JY-T’s pianism.

As for Dutoit, didn’t he ‘win’ the Firebird edition last May?

[Retune]

I’ve rarely warmed to JY-T’s pianism.

As for Dutoit, didn’t he ‘win’ the Firebird edition last May?

Chosen "in appreciation of the musicians, not the man on the podium". Roth (a few days before the allegations about him were made public) was one of the runners up...

[oliver sudden]

Chosen "in appreciation of the musicians, not the man on the podium".

“Tell me you know nothing about conducting without telling me you know nothing about conducting”

[Barbirollians]

I’ve rarely warmed to JY-T’s pianism.

As for Dutoit, didn’t he ‘win’ the Firebird edition last May?

A pianist I have admired but not much more .

[Pulcinella]

A pianist I have admired but not much more .

So any problems there may have been with Dutoit were known when this recording was made in 1990, were they (I genuinely don't know and I haven't checked), and the pianist is somehow now dismissed from your admiration for working with him? Seems a bit harsh to me.

• Jean-Yves Thibaudet (piano)
• Montreal Symphony Orchestra
• Charles Dutoit
• Recorded: 1990-10
• Recording Venue: L'Eglise de St. Eustache, Montreal

[Barbirollians]

So any problems there may have been with Dutoit were known when this recording was made in 1990, were they (I genuinely don't know and I haven't checked), and the pianist is somehow now dismissed from your admiration for working with him? Seems a bit harsh to me.

• Jean-Yves Thibaudet (piano)
• Montreal Symphony Orchestra
• Charles Dutoit
• Recorded: 1990-10
• Recording Venue: L'Eglise de St. Eustache, Montreal

That is not what I said .

Like Alison Thibaudet is not one of my favourite pianists. I have a few of his recordings like his Rachmaninov 1 and 3 and I find them stylish but I have never been overly thrilled by them . What i think of his playing has nothing to do with Dutoit and nor would Dutoit having historically been the accompanying conductor affect whether I would buy a concerto record as my reference to Phil Spector was intended to illustrate.

[Retune]

“Tell me you know nothing about conducting without telling me you know nothing about conducting”

Kate Molleson knows perfectly well what contribution a conductor makes to a recording, of course, but the Montreal performance of The Firebird was only selected in deference to the musicians. If the alleged abuser had been (say) a pianist rather than a conductor, I suspect they'd be out of contention for a solo repertoire BaL.

[LHC]

So any problems there may have been with Dutoit were known when this recording was made in 1990, were they (I genuinely don't know and I haven't checked), and the pianist is somehow now dismissed from your admiration for working with him? Seems a bit harsh to me.

• Jean-Yves Thibaudet (piano)
• Montreal Symphony Orchestra
• Charles Dutoit
• Recorded: 1990-10
• Recording Venue: L'Eglise de St. Eustache, Montreal

The allegations about Dutoit's past behaviour were first made in 2017, so this recording was made 27 years before any problems with Dutoit became public knowledge.

[richardfinegold]

He didn’t though, did he?

Per Wikipedia, Furtwangler conducted in Paris in 1942 and 1943. France fell to Germany in the summer of 1940 and was liberated in 1944. I have seen the films of Furtwangler conducting in occupied Paris

[Pulcinella]

That is not what I said .

Like Alison Thibaudet is to one of my favourite pianists. I have a few of his recordings like his Rachmaninov 1 and 3 and I find them stylish but I have never been overly thrilled by them . What i think of his playing has nothing to do with Dutoit and nor would Dutoit having historically been the accompanying conductor affect whether I would buy a concerto record as my reference to Phil Spector was intended to illustrate.

Apologies: I thought your change of heart (no longer) was because of this collaboration.

[Barbirollians]

Per Wikipedia, Furtwangler conducted in Paris in 1942 and 1943. France fell to Germany in the summer of 1940 and was liberated in 1944. I have seen the films of Furtwangler conducting in occupied Paris

Wikipedia ‘s Furtwangler entry says Munch was pressured to invite him to Paris but Furtwangler refused to go ?

[LHC]

Wikipedia ‘s Furtwangler entry says Munch was pressured to invite him to Paris but Furtwangler refused to go ?

According to the Wilhelm Furtwanger Society's list of concerts, Furtwangler's last appearance in Paris before the war was on 27 December 1938 when he conducted Siegfried at the Paris Opera. He didn't conduct again in Paris until 1948 when he conducted the l’Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire de Paris at the Théâtre des Champs Élysées. France was the first country to welcome him back after the war.