BaL 19.09.15 - Beethoven: Symphony no. 4 in B flat

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  • visualnickmos
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    • Nov 2010
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    #61
    A BaL that I'm quite looking forward to.... I reckon Klemperer takes some beating, but clearly won't even get more than a passing mention. Something more recent will surely take the laurels.....

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #62
      Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
      I reckon Klemperer takes some beating, but clearly won't even get more than a passing mention.
      ??? Why do you say this, visnick? It's Rob Cowan presenting the review ... he likes that sort of thing, even if I doubt he'll give it the ultimate accolade.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Bryn
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        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #63
        Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
        A BaL that I'm quite looking forward to.... I reckon Klemperer takes some beating, but clearly won't even get more than a passing mention. Something more recent will surely take the laurels.....
        Even if Klemperer (who I likewise think unlikely to make the shortlist), which of the available recordings?

        Nobody's mentioned Weil, I think. He, Lamon and co. give a spirited performance I much admire, though the recording does not catch as much detail as I would like.

        Must listen to the Antonini again. It got a real pasting in The Gramophone, which gave such a rave review to the 'Eroica' with which it is paired on the disc.

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        • visualnickmos
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          • Nov 2010
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          #64
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          ??? Why do you say this, visnick? It's Rob Cowan presenting the review ... he likes that sort of thing, even if I doubt he'll give it the ultimate accolade.
          I hadn't checked who the reviewer was; Rob Cowan certainly does 'like that sort of thing' (as indeed, do I) but just as a very general observation, the recommendations are often somewhat surprising. I know that is perhaps overstating and oversimplifying the issue, but you get my point.....

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #65
            Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
            I hadn't checked who the reviewer was; Rob Cowan certainly does 'like that sort of thing' (as indeed, do I) but just as a very general observation, the recommendations are often somewhat surprising. I know that is perhaps overstating and oversimplifying the issue, but you get my point.....
            Oh, yes. But it would be somewhat surprising to recommend a version recorded over fifty years ago as "the best".
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • visualnickmos
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              • Nov 2010
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              #66
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              Oh, yes. But it would be somewhat surprising to recommend a version recorded over fifty years ago as "the best".
              Equally true. But on the other hand.......

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              • visualnickmos
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                • Nov 2010
                • 3615

                #67
                Running late, this morning?

                I could have had that second cuppa after all! but the Holst is rather lovely.....

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                • pastoralguy
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #68
                  Half an hour in and still no mention of Karajan!

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                  • Prommer
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                    • Dec 2010
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                    #69
                    Just got to HvK. No Kleiber so far?

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                    • BBMmk2
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #70
                      I was travelling back from Cornwall at the time and I had to switch off as wanted to pay more attention to directions, at a critical point, so I did not see who won the accolade this time? Did Abbado get a mention?
                      Don’t cry for me
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                      • pastoralguy
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #71
                        David Zinman 'won' first prize with the Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra albeit with a caveat about 'extra twiddles' from the wind. I don't remember Abbado getting a mention but Karajan's 1962 recording was given a mention. Thielleman's version was slated! No wonder I got his set in a charity shop for a fiver a month after they were released!

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          #72
                          Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                          David Zinman 'won' first prize with the Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra albeit with a caveat about 'extra twiddles' from the wind. I don't remember Abbado getting a mention but Karajan's 1962 recording was given a mention. Thielleman's version was slated! No wonder I got his set in a charity shop for a fiver a month after they were released!
                          Most likely, PG. Harnoncourt's cycle usually gets a good recomendation, like, his recording of the 7th symphony, iirc?
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • jayne lee wilson
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                            • Jul 2011
                            • 10711

                            #73
                            Zinman is an excellent choice, one of my longterm favourites & a great refresher for anyone who doesn't do HIPPs...

                            Just after it was released, one local listener who often sought my advice bought it and.... took it back to HMV in a huff two days later, having exchanged it for... the 1955 Klemperer 3rd on GROC.

                            He said the tempi in the Eroica on the Zinman CD made him giddy. I don't think he ever heard the 4th...

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                            • pastoralguy
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7816

                              #74
                              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                              Zinman is an excellent choice, one of my longterm favourites & a great refresher for anyone who doesn't do HIPPs...

                              Just after it was released, one local listener who often sought my advice bought it and.... took it back to HMV in a huff two days later, having exchanged it for... the 1955 Klemperer 3rd on GROC.

                              He said the tempi in the Eroica on the Zinman CD made him giddy. I don't think he ever heard the 4th...

                              I've really enjoyed the Zinman symphony/concerto recordings. Frankly, I could do without the twiddles which are fine in a live performance but become predictable on repeated hearings but that's a small price to pay for a superb approach to Beethoven. IMHO!

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                              • verismissimo
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2957

                                #75
                                Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                                I've really enjoyed the Zinman symphony/concerto recordings. Frankly, I could do without the twiddles which are fine in a live performance but become predictable on repeated hearings but that's a small price to pay for a superb approach to Beethoven. IMHO!
                                I recall comments like pastoral's fifty years ago in Handel! If future research continues to support decoration in Beethoven, all those performances without will start to sound naked - like Beecham and others in the aforesaid Handel.

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