BaL 01.02.25 - Mozart: Piano sonata 15

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  • MickyD
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4896

    #16
    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post

    Brautigam was the HIPP choice.
    His Mozart cycle is so beautifully played, as is his Haydn.

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    • HighlandDougie
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 3139

      #17
      I may be being unfair as I much respect Kenneth Hamilton but I found today's BaL to be rather unfocused and, at times, almost contradictory in relation to performances on a fortepiano and performances on a modern instrument. It was as if we were being asked to ignore 'modern' performances one minute in favour of the ur-recording by Robert Levin then faced with Ken H's admission that he didn't hugely like the sound of Levin's instrument. Christian Blackshaw was presented as somehow "un-Mozartian" (too romantic; completely ignored Mozart's dynamic markings) then praised for sounding rather lovely. I rather gave up at that point. I might just stick with Bezuidenhout (not mentioned) and Richard Goode. The Levin might be how it might have sounded to Mozart but ...

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      • Mandryka
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        • Feb 2021
        • 1582

        #18
        Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
        I may be being unfair as I much respect Kenneth Hamilton but I found today's BaL to be rather unfocused and, at times, almost contradictory in relation to performances on a fortepiano and performances on a modern instrument. It was as if we were being asked to ignore 'modern' performances one minute in favour of the ur-recording by Robert Levin then faced with Ken H's admission that he didn't hugely like the sound of Levin's instrument. Christian Blackshaw was presented as somehow "un-Mozartian" (too romantic; completely ignored Mozart's dynamic markings) then praised for sounding rather lovely. I rather gave up at that point. I might just stick with Bezuidenhout (not mentioned) and Richard Goode. The Levin might be how it might have sounded to Mozart but ...
        I think Levin is pedestrian, workmanlike.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
          Full Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 7177

          #19
          Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
          I may be being unfair as I much respect Kenneth Hamilton but I found today's BaL to be rather unfocused and, at times, almost contradictory in relation to performances on a fortepiano and performances on a modern instrument. It was as if we were being asked to ignore 'modern' performances one minute in favour of the ur-recording by Robert Levin then faced with Ken H's admission that he didn't hugely like the sound of Levin's instrument. Christian Blackshaw was presented as somehow "un-Mozartian" (too romantic; completely ignored Mozart's dynamic markings) then praised for sounding rather lovely. I rather gave up at that point. I might just stick with Bezuidenhout (not mentioned) and Richard Goode. The Levin might be how it might have sounded to Mozart but ...
          I thought that reflected the many faceted , contradictory and unknowable nature of this piece. There is no “authentic “ or correct performance . What struck me today was how many performances I really didn’t like. The only ones that really grabbed me were Fou Ts’ong’s ( my winner ) Blackshaw’s and Donohoe’s . I disliked Levin’s for all its “authentic” noodling.
          The most revealing critical comment was Beethoven’s on Mozart’s playing. Beethoven obviously didn’t rate him much. No doubt Mozart would have disliked Beethoven’s wayward improvisatory style . And yet they were amongst the greatest virtuosi of their time. Time moves on and tastes change …

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          • vinteuil
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 13090

            #20
            I liked the Fou Ts'Ong and the Bilson , and also the Levin - but I agree with Highland Dougie that this BaL was unfocused and contradictory : Kenneth Hamilton, whom I usually have a lot of time for, seemed all over the place.

            The Grieg two-person thing was fun, but...

            I particularly enjoyed the Glenn Gould




            .

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            • Barbirollians
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 11905

              #21
              Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

              I thought that reflected the many faceted , contradictory and unknowable nature of this piece. There is no “authentic “ or correct performance . What struck me today was how many performances I really didn’t like. The only ones that really grabbed me were Fou Ts’ong’s ( my winner ) Blackshaw’s and Donohoe’s . I disliked Levin’s for all its “authentic” noodling.
              The most revealing critical comment was Beethoven’s on Mozart’s playing. Beethoven obviously didn’t rate him much. No doubt Mozart would have disliked Beethoven’s wayward improvisatory style . And yet they were amongst the greatest virtuosi of their time. Time moves on and tastes change …
              I am always highly suspicious of 200 -250 year old hearsay .

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              • richardfinegold
                Full Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 7836

                #22
                The catchy theme in III is perhaps the most memorable part of the Sonata. Listening to Uchida now

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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11274

                  #23
                  Recommended version:
                  Daniel-Ben Pienaar (piano)
                  Avie AV2209

                  Also added to OP.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26606

                    #24
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    I particularly enjoyed the Glenn Gould

                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Mandryka
                      Full Member
                      • Feb 2021
                      • 1582

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                      Recommended version:
                      Daniel-Ben Pienaar (piano)
                      Avie AV2209

                      Also added to OP.
                      Boots on piano

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                      • Barbirollians
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11905

                        #26
                        Did Alf B get a mention ?

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                        • HighlandDougie
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3139

                          #27
                          Between the extremes of Glenn Gould and Christian Blackshaw, Mitsuko Uchida and Daniel-Ben Pienaar were the middle ground of modern piano versions. I've rather erased the detail of what wasn't a very satisfying programme from my mind - and someone else might care to correct me if I'm wrong - but, no, I don't remember Brendel featuring.

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                          • Barbirollians
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 11905

                            #28
                            That's a shame - I had frgotten outside the box sets I have that I have a couple of records of his Mozart sonatas.Stpehen Plaistow was complimentary in Gramophone.

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                            • Goon525
                              Full Member
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 609

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                              That's a shame - I had frgotten outside the box sets I have that I have a couple of records of his Mozart sonatas.Stpehen Plaistow was complimentary in Gramophone.
                              Incidentally, Stephen Plaistow has just died. A good obituary by Peter Quantrill on the Gramophone website.

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                              • Barbirollians
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 11905

                                #30
                                Sad news - I had noticed he had finally stopped reviewing in Gramophone a year or so ago . He was an excellent reviewer of piano recordings and one whose judgement I trusted more than some of the others.

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