BaL 14.12.24 - Wagner: Siegfried Idyll

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  • smittims
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    • Aug 2022
    • 4159

    #31
    Wolfram, according to John Lucas, Klemperer's recording is of the original 13-instrument version. Indeed ,he is said to have refused on more than one occasion to conduct the orchestral expanded version.

    Whie I accept that the original has its authority,as it was intended to be a private work, I prefer larger performances as I feel the music needs it, and is constricted by a chamber ensemble. I've just listened to Karl Muck's 1929 recording with the Berlin State Opera Orchestra, recorded in the old Philharmonie. It certainly sounds like a sizeable string section. Now Muck was a Wagner purist, who refused to record the Good Friday Music when it was proposed to have two side-breaks. He even looked like Wagner , short , with a prominent cranium and incisive jaw. I think his and Toscanini's recordings are good advocacy for the fuller version.
    Last edited by smittims; Today, 14:47.

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    • Wolfram
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      • Jul 2019
      • 275

      #32
      Originally posted by smittims View Post
      Wolfram, according to John Lucas, Klemperer's recording is of the original 13-instrument version. Indeed ,he is said to have refused on more than one occasion to conduct the orchestral expanded version.

      Whie I accept that the original has its authority,as it was intended to be a private work, I prefer larger performances as I feel the music needs it, and is constricted by a chamber ensemble.
      I stand corrected. It’s been a long time since I listened to any version apart from the VPO Decca. I also have a couple of versions from Karajan, which I'm sure are the original scoring or not.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 37689

        #33
        Originally posted by smittims View Post
        There's a fictionalised performance of it in Visconti's 'Ludwig' (with Trevor Howard as a wonderful Wagner) but I think they've got the instrumentation wrong. I'm relying on memory , but I think there are too many violins.
        Speaking of Mahler's Fifth Symphony by way of Visconti () has anyone noticed that a thrice-repeated motif from Siegfried Idyll worms its way into the famous main theme from the Adagietto? It also gets quoted in Strauss's Til Eulenspiegel... and another well-know work which escapes me right now.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
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          • Apr 2014
          • 6785

          #34
          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

          Speaking of Mahler's Fifth Symphony by way of Visconti () has anyone noticed that a thrice-repeated motif from Siegfried Idyll worms its way into the famous main theme from the Adagietto? It also gets quoted in Strauss's Til Eulenspiegel... and another well-know work which escapes me right now.
          What are the themes or motifs in notes or bar number ?

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